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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/11/13/the-last-sarah-palin-post-ever-we-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-120953</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, hysperia.  That&#039;s exactly where I&#039;m coming from.  I&#039;m just imagining the next time (20 years?  30 years?  I hope I live to see the day!) that we&#039;ve got a progressive Dem woman politician who&#039;s treated like a blow-up sex toy.  How can anyone who sat by silently while Palin was shredded for having a uterus (too many children!) and breasts (too sexy, and we don&#039;t want a sexy Prez!) then complain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, hysperia.  That&#8217;s exactly where I&#8217;m coming from.  I&#8217;m just imagining the next time (20 years?  30 years?  I hope I live to see the day!) that we&#8217;ve got a progressive Dem woman politician who&#8217;s treated like a blow-up sex toy.  How can anyone who sat by silently while Palin was shredded for having a uterus (too many children!) and breasts (too sexy, and we don&#8217;t want a sexy Prez!) then complain?</p>
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		<title>By: hysperia</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/11/13/the-last-sarah-palin-post-ever-we-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-120911</link>
		<dc:creator>hysperia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a very short time, Palin was America&#039;s sweetheart to some people and an air-headed ditz to the rest. Once the Reprobates lost the election, the Reps and the right wing media turned on her in a manner reminiscent of the Democratic and &quot;liberal&quot; media of Hillary Clinton. I&#039;ve not seen John McCain treated so disrespectfully. I&#039;ve read articles that critisize him fairly. That&#039;s what women deserve. Fair comment. I can hardly bear having to defend Palin because I dislike her politics. But I won&#039;t stand by and say nothing while people attack her for being female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a very short time, Palin was America&#8217;s sweetheart to some people and an air-headed ditz to the rest. Once the Reprobates lost the election, the Reps and the right wing media turned on her in a manner reminiscent of the Democratic and &#8220;liberal&#8221; media of Hillary Clinton. I&#8217;ve not seen John McCain treated so disrespectfully. I&#8217;ve read articles that critisize him fairly. That&#8217;s what women deserve. Fair comment. I can hardly bear having to defend Palin because I dislike her politics. But I won&#8217;t stand by and say nothing while people attack her for being female.</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/11/13/the-last-sarah-palin-post-ever-we-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-120750</link>
		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly feminists can be feminine, but not all women are feminists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly feminists can be feminine, but not all women are feminists.</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the right-wing pundits justifiably criticized the so called &quot;liberals&quot; who attacked Palin with undeniably sexist remarks I wanted to be hopeful, but, given their treatment of Clinton, I was mostly cynical.  And I was right to be so...
It is sad that McCain&#039;s own people have said these things about her in an attempt to blame her for his landslide defeat.  
Sexism is indeed alive and well-
And while the media or Palin herself probably did film her in the kitchen to send a message- I&#039;m far less offended by that for a couple of reasons- firstly, many working mothers cook for their families and secondly, we&#039;ve seen the ambitious career woman that she is.  
It is her politics that offend me and thus I reserve the same criticism of her that I do of Dobson et al.
As for Obama&#039;s administration- I&#039;m waiting with enthusiasm till he announces his picks- and I really hope he doesn&#039;t disappoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the right-wing pundits justifiably criticized the so called &#8220;liberals&#8221; who attacked Palin with undeniably sexist remarks I wanted to be hopeful, but, given their treatment of Clinton, I was mostly cynical.  And I was right to be so&#8230;<br />
It is sad that McCain&#8217;s own people have said these things about her in an attempt to blame her for his landslide defeat.<br />
Sexism is indeed alive and well-<br />
And while the media or Palin herself probably did film her in the kitchen to send a message- I&#8217;m far less offended by that for a couple of reasons- firstly, many working mothers cook for their families and secondly, we&#8217;ve seen the ambitious career woman that she is.<br />
It is her politics that offend me and thus I reserve the same criticism of her that I do of Dobson et al.<br />
As for Obama&#8217;s administration- I&#8217;m waiting with enthusiasm till he announces his picks- and I really hope he doesn&#8217;t disappoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/11/13/the-last-sarah-palin-post-ever-we-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-120715</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Cherchez la femme&lt;/em&gt;, toujours, Notorious.

I thought it was pretty hilliarious, and I laughed through my tears when I read at the end of the mutivolume tomes by Francis Parkman, &lt;em&gt;France and England in North America&lt;/em&gt;, that it was &quot;the fatuity of Louis XV. and his Pompadour that made the conquest of Canada possible.&quot;  Yes, &quot;America owes much to the imbecility of Louis XV. and the ambitious vanity and personal dislikes of his mistress.&quot;

Well, I guess that clears everything up, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Cherchez la femme</em>, toujours, Notorious.</p>
<p>I thought it was pretty hilliarious, and I laughed through my tears when I read at the end of the mutivolume tomes by Francis Parkman, <em>France and England in North America</em>, that it was &#8220;the fatuity of Louis XV. and his Pompadour that made the conquest of Canada possible.&#8221;  Yes, &#8220;America owes much to the imbecility of Louis XV. and the ambitious vanity and personal dislikes of his mistress.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I guess that clears everything up, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Gunner Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunner Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that feminists cannot be feminine is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that feminists cannot be feminine is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notorious Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I also wondered about the lack of attribution, and so it was a story that I indulged in a schadenfreudic chuckle at, but refused to pass on.

At first I wondered why FOX would be so eager to throw the chum to the media sharks.  Upon further reflection, I realized that it makes *perfect* sense: Our guy would have won... had it not been for trying to put a woman in a position of power.  It&#039;s her fault (for all the archetypal feminine reasons).  

As historians, we should recognize this: women in positions of authority can be used to explain the failings of a hero, or the fall of a dynasty.  I&#039;m no fan of Palin, but if &quot;unity&quot; is built on &quot;we can all disparage women and discriminate against teh gayz,&quot; then I&#039;m a bit saddened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I also wondered about the lack of attribution, and so it was a story that I indulged in a schadenfreudic chuckle at, but refused to pass on.</p>
<p>At first I wondered why FOX would be so eager to throw the chum to the media sharks.  Upon further reflection, I realized that it makes *perfect* sense: Our guy would have won&#8230; had it not been for trying to put a woman in a position of power.  It&#8217;s her fault (for all the archetypal feminine reasons).  </p>
<p>As historians, we should recognize this: women in positions of authority can be used to explain the failings of a hero, or the fall of a dynasty.  I&#8217;m no fan of Palin, but if &#8220;unity&#8221; is built on &#8220;we can all disparage women and discriminate against teh gayz,&#8221; then I&#8217;m a bit saddened.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of McCain&#039;s advisors may think that Africa is a continent that&#039;s always been filled with basically square-shaped nation state &quot;countries&quot; with capital cities and the present array of names. Rather than a complex geographical space carved into modernity by European imperialists in the so-called &quot;scramble for Africa&quot; in the 1880s  A nice teachable moment, perhaps, which could be concluded by pointing out that the U.S. was still bogged down in those years paying off William Seward&#039;s mortgage on Alaska to have scrambled along.  

I don&#039;t watch much T.V. but the one sequence of post-election Palin coverage I did see was indeed set in the kitchen. But it was interesting to watch her answering the interviewer while basically keeping eye contact with the things she was doing in and around the sink and stovetop.  My first thought was that not too many standard issue blue suit politicians would have been willing to violate media conventions about eye-contact and body language in such a situation.  Plus, the First Dude was standing there, arms full of babes.  So it wasn&#039;t a TOTAL Betty Crocker or even a Donna Reed sort of moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of McCain&#8217;s advisors may think that Africa is a continent that&#8217;s always been filled with basically square-shaped nation state &#8220;countries&#8221; with capital cities and the present array of names. Rather than a complex geographical space carved into modernity by European imperialists in the so-called &#8220;scramble for Africa&#8221; in the 1880s  A nice teachable moment, perhaps, which could be concluded by pointing out that the U.S. was still bogged down in those years paying off William Seward&#8217;s mortgage on Alaska to have scrambled along.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t watch much T.V. but the one sequence of post-election Palin coverage I did see was indeed set in the kitchen. But it was interesting to watch her answering the interviewer while basically keeping eye contact with the things she was doing in and around the sink and stovetop.  My first thought was that not too many standard issue blue suit politicians would have been willing to violate media conventions about eye-contact and body language in such a situation.  Plus, the First Dude was standing there, arms full of babes.  So it wasn&#8217;t a TOTAL Betty Crocker or even a Donna Reed sort of moment.</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, she chose to have them there as part of the interview.  There were 2 separate segments, one where she talked one on one, and one where they did the interview in her kitchen. Why do we assume that she&#039;s not calling the shots? Maybe during the campaign, but since last Tuesday, I think she&#039;s in the driver&#039;s seat.

I liked Hillary&#039;s comment-it was honest. And I would like to think that some things have changed since then, and women don&#039;t need to be afraid of condemnation if they reject traditional gender norms.  

I do think that some women emphasize their femininity and adherence to gender roles to assure others (especially men) that they&#039;re not &quot;that scary&quot;, and in doing so, I think they affirm the very gender roles that women are fighting against. I think we need to give Palin credit for being the savvy politician that she is-this stuff isn&#039;t accidental-neither is the enormous Alaska pin on her lapel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, she chose to have them there as part of the interview.  There were 2 separate segments, one where she talked one on one, and one where they did the interview in her kitchen. Why do we assume that she&#8217;s not calling the shots? Maybe during the campaign, but since last Tuesday, I think she&#8217;s in the driver&#8217;s seat.</p>
<p>I liked Hillary&#8217;s comment-it was honest. And I would like to think that some things have changed since then, and women don&#8217;t need to be afraid of condemnation if they reject traditional gender norms.  </p>
<p>I do think that some women emphasize their femininity and adherence to gender roles to assure others (especially men) that they&#8217;re not &#8220;that scary&#8221;, and in doing so, I think they affirm the very gender roles that women are fighting against. I think we need to give Palin credit for being the savvy politician that she is-this stuff isn&#8217;t accidental-neither is the enormous Alaska pin on her lapel.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t know that she &quot;chose&quot; to present herself like that.  The camera crew probably followed her around all day long, but what did the media choose to show?  Yes, she chose to allow them into her kitchen and to film her there, but I don&#039;t think that was necessarily a bad move.  Look at how Hillary Clinton is still being pilloried for a crack she made about &quot;staying home and baking cookies&quot; 16 years ago.

The problem is not Palin&#039;s &quot;choices&quot; about how she&#039;s presented.  The problem is that there are so few prominent women in politics that they get overanalyzed to death and objectified beyond belief.  I bet if Joe Biden let a camera crew into his kitchen to show him making pancakes for his grandkids, it would be an &quot;awwwwww&quot; moment.  Whatever men do is okey-dokey.  Whatever women do is leapt upon as evidence of their monstrous ambition (if they present themselves as too serious) or of their ridiculous ambition (if they&#039;re pretty, young-ish, and/or show themselves at all in a domestic role).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know that she &#8220;chose&#8221; to present herself like that.  The camera crew probably followed her around all day long, but what did the media choose to show?  Yes, she chose to allow them into her kitchen and to film her there, but I don&#8217;t think that was necessarily a bad move.  Look at how Hillary Clinton is still being pilloried for a crack she made about &#8220;staying home and baking cookies&#8221; 16 years ago.</p>
<p>The problem is not Palin&#8217;s &#8220;choices&#8221; about how she&#8217;s presented.  The problem is that there are so few prominent women in politics that they get overanalyzed to death and objectified beyond belief.  I bet if Joe Biden let a camera crew into his kitchen to show him making pancakes for his grandkids, it would be an &#8220;awwwwww&#8221; moment.  Whatever men do is okey-dokey.  Whatever women do is leapt upon as evidence of their monstrous ambition (if they present themselves as too serious) or of their ridiculous ambition (if they&#8217;re pretty, young-ish, and/or show themselves at all in a domestic role).</p>
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