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	<title>Comments on: Hanging on the telephone:  a good convention interview substitute?</title>
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		<title>By: Skype interviews to supplant big conference interviews? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skype interviews to supplant big conference interviews? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] classes and has to borrow a proper office for an uninterrupted 45 minutes?  Here&#8217;s where the invisibility of good, old-fashioned phone interviews seem to have an advantage over the video link or Skype interview:  it makes it harder to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] classes and has to borrow a proper office for an uninterrupted 45 minutes?  Here&#8217;s where the invisibility of good, old-fashioned phone interviews seem to have an advantage over the video link or Skype interview:  it makes it harder to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/29/hanging-on-the-telephone-a-good-convention-interview-substitute/comment-page-1/#comment-107942</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Tom.  (I&#039;d also point out that the same unfair speculation can happen with candidates who do it the old-fashioned way, by having a convention interview first.)  As someone who left one tenure-track job for another, I&#039;ve heard these speculations about other job candidates and have tried to shut them down because of the prejudice they may engender.  My motto is that if someone has applied for a job, they&#039;re interested until they withdraw from the search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Tom.  (I&#8217;d also point out that the same unfair speculation can happen with candidates who do it the old-fashioned way, by having a convention interview first.)  As someone who left one tenure-track job for another, I&#8217;ve heard these speculations about other job candidates and have tried to shut them down because of the prejudice they may engender.  My motto is that if someone has applied for a job, they&#8217;re interested until they withdraw from the search.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d point out that some of the discussion here distressingly describes some of the weird thinking that goes on in interviewers&#039; minds and (sometimes) discussions.  Is candidate X &quot;really&quot; interested enough? is candidate X &quot;really&quot; wrangling for a better position at X&#039;s current institution? is candidate X &quot;serious&quot; about &quot;moving&quot;?  is applying for just one job &quot;really&quot; being on the market?  All common enough ideas, I suppose--but all fail to take the application for exactly what it is: an expression of interest in the job being advertised.  

One may well wonder about any of these issues, but the failure (by either applicants or readers of files) to take an application as an honest expression of interest in an advertised position is simply acting in bad faith, I think.  Decisions about whom to interview should never take such concerns or questions into account.

[In the interests of full disclosure, I am on the market, applying for exactly one job,  and thus possibly perceived as not &quot;really&quot; on the market.  I am seriously thinking of not attending the &quot;interview convention&quot; in my field, in part because the expense of going for exactly one potential interview seems ludicrous, expecially since the position I&#039;m applying for is closer to my home than the airport is. And I am as serious about trying to get the job as one can be.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d point out that some of the discussion here distressingly describes some of the weird thinking that goes on in interviewers&#8217; minds and (sometimes) discussions.  Is candidate X &#8220;really&#8221; interested enough? is candidate X &#8220;really&#8221; wrangling for a better position at X&#8217;s current institution? is candidate X &#8220;serious&#8221; about &#8220;moving&#8221;?  is applying for just one job &#8220;really&#8221; being on the market?  All common enough ideas, I suppose&#8211;but all fail to take the application for exactly what it is: an expression of interest in the job being advertised.  </p>
<p>One may well wonder about any of these issues, but the failure (by either applicants or readers of files) to take an application as an honest expression of interest in an advertised position is simply acting in bad faith, I think.  Decisions about whom to interview should never take such concerns or questions into account.</p>
<p>[In the interests of full disclosure, I am on the market, applying for exactly one job,  and thus possibly perceived as not "really" on the market.  I am seriously thinking of not attending the "interview convention" in my field, in part because the expense of going for exactly one potential interview seems ludicrous, expecially since the position I'm applying for is closer to my home than the airport is. And I am as serious about trying to get the job as one can be.]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/29/hanging-on-the-telephone-a-good-convention-interview-substitute/comment-page-1/#comment-107262</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice, Poe, LMC, and Devorah make convincing points about the value of telephone interviews or videoconferencing.  I agree--perhaps technology will eclipse the need for all of that air travel.  (If that happens, the AHA will need to figure out what its role is in life as we know it, since it exists for the most part to host job interviews and business meetings!)  That might be reason enough alone to ditch the convention interview:  make the AHA an intellectually stimulating meeting?  &lt;em&gt;What a concept&lt;/em&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice, Poe, LMC, and Devorah make convincing points about the value of telephone interviews or videoconferencing.  I agree&#8211;perhaps technology will eclipse the need for all of that air travel.  (If that happens, the AHA will need to figure out what its role is in life as we know it, since it exists for the most part to host job interviews and business meetings!)  That might be reason enough alone to ditch the convention interview:  make the AHA an intellectually stimulating meeting?  <em>What a concept</em>!</p>
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		<title>By: Devorah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devorah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish!  I am seriously grumbly about requiring starving graduate students and adjuncts to fork over $1000 in plane fare, hotel and conference fees for a 1/20 (maybe) chance of getting a job.  Not to mention that interviewees usually need to make reservations and fork over the money without even knowing if they&#039;ll get any interviews at all, and that many interviewees could potentially have interviews at multiple conferences for many years.  That&#039;s a lot of money when you don&#039;t have an income.  Is the difference between an in-person interview and a videoconference important enough to impose that hardship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish!  I am seriously grumbly about requiring starving graduate students and adjuncts to fork over $1000 in plane fare, hotel and conference fees for a 1/20 (maybe) chance of getting a job.  Not to mention that interviewees usually need to make reservations and fork over the money without even knowing if they&#8217;ll get any interviews at all, and that many interviewees could potentially have interviews at multiple conferences for many years.  That&#8217;s a lot of money when you don&#8217;t have an income.  Is the difference between an in-person interview and a videoconference important enough to impose that hardship?</p>
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		<title>By: Little Midwestern College</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Midwestern College</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Poe.  Here, we can only budget for 3 on-campus interviews, so the telephone interview is very important.  For each position, we interview up to 10 shortlisted candidates via telephone, then select our 3 on-campus candidates from those discussions.  We use a script that is made up of questions from the committee members--and because we are working from the same script for every candidate, we get a nice data set to compare apples to apples on the responses.  I&#039;ve done this for the last three years running, and find it works very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Poe.  Here, we can only budget for 3 on-campus interviews, so the telephone interview is very important.  For each position, we interview up to 10 shortlisted candidates via telephone, then select our 3 on-campus candidates from those discussions.  We use a script that is made up of questions from the committee members&#8211;and because we are working from the same script for every candidate, we get a nice data set to compare apples to apples on the responses.  I&#8217;ve done this for the last three years running, and find it works very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Poe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My department has switched completely to telephone interviews, which I have found superior to MLA interviews for several reasons. First, since everyone is interviewed via phone, we don&#039;t face the problem of two different media. Second, few of us actually want to attend the MLA (and my institution won&#039;t pay for attendance unless one is delivering a paper - even if one attends in order to interview). Since we usually run at least two searches a year, MLA interviewing places a fairly large burden on the few who do attend (I also think MLA interviews themselves are bizarre and often hurried affairs). And in the past, reports from those individuals who interviewed our candidates at MLA were frustratingly vague and sometimes oddly biased. Phone interviews allow an entire search committee (including our student members) to hear the candidates and to ask follow-up questions. When a committee chair first proposed interviewing by telephone, I was hesitant, but now I am a real convert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My department has switched completely to telephone interviews, which I have found superior to MLA interviews for several reasons. First, since everyone is interviewed via phone, we don&#8217;t face the problem of two different media. Second, few of us actually want to attend the MLA (and my institution won&#8217;t pay for attendance unless one is delivering a paper &#8211; even if one attends in order to interview). Since we usually run at least two searches a year, MLA interviewing places a fairly large burden on the few who do attend (I also think MLA interviews themselves are bizarre and often hurried affairs). And in the past, reports from those individuals who interviewed our candidates at MLA were frustratingly vague and sometimes oddly biased. Phone interviews allow an entire search committee (including our student members) to hear the candidates and to ask follow-up questions. When a committee chair first proposed interviewing by telephone, I was hesitant, but now I am a real convert.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My institution is four hours north of most anywhere and, historically, Canadian universities don&#039;t regularly use the national conference as a hiring venue (it meets in late May or early June: well past the prime hiring season). So we&#039;ve never had the whole &quot;AHA interview culture&quot; to shape our expectations (though I did my rounds at the AHA when I was finishing up at grad school) and I think that&#039;s made me much more suspicious of the whole conference interview system.

We&#039;ve done some phone interviews and many video conference interviews, almost always for one year positions. Then again, my department never makes a long &quot;shopping&quot; list which is then winnowed down to a short &quot;real&quot; list: the interview is the interview. When it&#039;s for a t-t position, we fight for (and get) permission to interview all of our candidates on campus. When the position&#039;s limited term, things are often different and on-campus interviews aren&#039;t always possible.

I&#039;m okay with phone interviews but I&#039;m positively enthusiastic about video conferencing interviews. You can get a real feel for someone&#039;s teaching ability if that&#039;s a top priority, or see how they are at presenting research in a more conference-based format. You can also bring in outside people to answer the interviewee&#039;s questions in the face-to-face format such as the librarian and staff members.

Video conferences also permit many faculty members to see for themselves what&#039;s going on in the &quot;open&quot; part of the interview. We also invite our undergraduate and graduate students who aren&#039;t part of the formal interview process to attend: their reactions are valuable.

The caveat is that video conferences usually require the candidate have access to a facility from which they can teleconference (though, in the age of Skype, more people are able to organize this from their own computers!) and that may still be a hardship for someone who&#039;s in a remote location or dealing with a five or six hour time difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My institution is four hours north of most anywhere and, historically, Canadian universities don&#8217;t regularly use the national conference as a hiring venue (it meets in late May or early June: well past the prime hiring season). So we&#8217;ve never had the whole &#8220;AHA interview culture&#8221; to shape our expectations (though I did my rounds at the AHA when I was finishing up at grad school) and I think that&#8217;s made me much more suspicious of the whole conference interview system.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve done some phone interviews and many video conference interviews, almost always for one year positions. Then again, my department never makes a long &#8220;shopping&#8221; list which is then winnowed down to a short &#8220;real&#8221; list: the interview is the interview. When it&#8217;s for a t-t position, we fight for (and get) permission to interview all of our candidates on campus. When the position&#8217;s limited term, things are often different and on-campus interviews aren&#8217;t always possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m okay with phone interviews but I&#8217;m positively enthusiastic about video conferencing interviews. You can get a real feel for someone&#8217;s teaching ability if that&#8217;s a top priority, or see how they are at presenting research in a more conference-based format. You can also bring in outside people to answer the interviewee&#8217;s questions in the face-to-face format such as the librarian and staff members.</p>
<p>Video conferences also permit many faculty members to see for themselves what&#8217;s going on in the &#8220;open&#8221; part of the interview. We also invite our undergraduate and graduate students who aren&#8217;t part of the formal interview process to attend: their reactions are valuable.</p>
<p>The caveat is that video conferences usually require the candidate have access to a facility from which they can teleconference (though, in the age of Skype, more people are able to organize this from their own computers!) and that may still be a hardship for someone who&#8217;s in a remote location or dealing with a five or six hour time difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of your reportage on your experiences.  (And thanks for stopping by to comment, AS, and to correct my faulty memory!)  In general, I agree that novices and/or the unemployed should suck it up and go to the conventions.  But, there are cases, as Dr. Crazy suggests, where different strategies are reasonable.  I think it&#039;s reasonable for search committees to expect that people who are senior, and people who are applying only to (a) particular job/s, will not necessarily be at the conferences.  Although, Dr. Crazy, I still think that in *most* cases it&#039;s wise to hold back in the job letter about your plans--or lack of plans--to attend the big conferences.  But, as previous job-search related discussions have demonstrated here, the process is highly variable and contingent--what might feel right to say (or withhold) in one application letter may not be right for all of them.

I would caution against people judging phone interview candidates, however:  in some cases I&#039;m familiar with, we did phone interviews because people had medical problems that prevented their travel, or made it very difficult.  (Late-stage pregnancy in December and January is a very understandable reason not to want to fly off the week after New Year&#039;s!)  You may not know all of the reasons that prevent people from getting to a particular east-coast (typically) city for a particular weekend in January.  TR, I hope your phone and conference interviews went well and get you some great candidates to bring to campus!

(And, Ortho--yes, I saw the review, and I was very pleased.  Thanks for mentioning it!)

So--who else has wisdom to share?  (Maybe I&#039;ll post the story of my personally disastrous phone interview here later...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of your reportage on your experiences.  (And thanks for stopping by to comment, AS, and to correct my faulty memory!)  In general, I agree that novices and/or the unemployed should suck it up and go to the conventions.  But, there are cases, as Dr. Crazy suggests, where different strategies are reasonable.  I think it&#8217;s reasonable for search committees to expect that people who are senior, and people who are applying only to (a) particular job/s, will not necessarily be at the conferences.  Although, Dr. Crazy, I still think that in *most* cases it&#8217;s wise to hold back in the job letter about your plans&#8211;or lack of plans&#8211;to attend the big conferences.  But, as previous job-search related discussions have demonstrated here, the process is highly variable and contingent&#8211;what might feel right to say (or withhold) in one application letter may not be right for all of them.</p>
<p>I would caution against people judging phone interview candidates, however:  in some cases I&#8217;m familiar with, we did phone interviews because people had medical problems that prevented their travel, or made it very difficult.  (Late-stage pregnancy in December and January is a very understandable reason not to want to fly off the week after New Year&#8217;s!)  You may not know all of the reasons that prevent people from getting to a particular east-coast (typically) city for a particular weekend in January.  TR, I hope your phone and conference interviews went well and get you some great candidates to bring to campus!</p>
<p>(And, Ortho&#8211;yes, I saw the review, and I was very pleased.  Thanks for mentioning it!)</p>
<p>So&#8211;who else has wisdom to share?  (Maybe I&#8217;ll post the story of my personally disastrous phone interview here later&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Profane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Profane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have probably done close to a dozen phone interviews, although never as a substitute for a face-to-face. Given the fact that the initial screening in my current job was through a phone interview, I suppose I had better not complain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have probably done close to a dozen phone interviews, although never as a substitute for a face-to-face. Given the fact that the initial screening in my current job was through a phone interview, I suppose I had better not complain!</p>
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