Comments on: Anything I can do, you can do better… http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 01:22:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98539 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:02:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98539 Unfortunately, Indyanna, I think spousal issues still limit women more than men, which means that universities outside of major metro areas (like yours and mine) have a harder time recruiting women faculty. I have very mixed feelings about this–on the one hand, why can’t universities recognize that spousal issues are a drag on recruitment in general, and do something for incoming faculty spouses/partners. On the other hand, I wish more male partners were equally willing to move to support their female partners’ careers. (And I wonder: why do women continue to reward selfish jerks by marrying them? But that’s only when I’m feeling especially cranky.)

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98321 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:29 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98321 On hires, it’s perplexing. I’ve looked hard and can’t say I’ve seen any evidence, even subtle, of willful partiality. But outcomes are outcomes, as they say in the assessment business. The people in question are not Nascar Daddies, and it’s not a frathouse atmosphere. Prior to this run, four women were hired in a row in three years, and with small samples or universes there can be pendulum swings. We’ve had women chair searches, and in at least one occasion the initial offer was to a female candidate, who went elsewhere. But in the end, norms are moving points on a continuum and reality does start to reify itself. And it can’t be denied that when you get a lack of diverse perspectives the oxygen gets sucked out of the room quicker than you can imagine.

Will try to report on the gender ratios, between the institutional universe and the departmental experience. I don’t think it can be claimed that History is like aeronautical engineering, with a deep backstory of selective recruitment and reinforcement. This is a former Normal School, for god’s sake, with a large ongoing stake in teacher education. Scanning a list on the wall of majors and their advisors, I don’t think the skew will be as radical as in my prior note, but it does seem to be there. Film at eleven, I guess you’d say.

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By: GayProf http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98295 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:50:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98295 I would also like to know more about the gender breakdown in terms of majors and which departments/programs actively encourage/create gender parity.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98276 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:52:59 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98276 Hi, The_Myth–I agree that male overconfidence is more dangerous to men’s GPAs, but I also think that women’s underconfidence is also a problem. But, you’re right–the women’s “scores” on the chart above are closer to 50% than the men’s scores in all but one category (math skills).

But, isn’t this the Lake Woebegon generation, where “all the children are above average?” Maybe we need to adjust the curve here…

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By: The_Myth http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98203 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:02:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98203 And isn’t the problem all about description in a way?

Are the women *less* confident? Or is it that the men are *too* confident? What exactly is the baseline? [Shouldn't only about 50% think they are "above average" for that term to be meaningful?]

Maybe the gals have the right mind-set and it’s the guys who need correcting. Thinking too highly of oneself is a sure way to failing to meet expectations [thus leading to that so-called "boy crisis" Notorious PhD noted above]. “Cool pose” arrogance might be how young men are shooting themselves in the educational foot.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98202 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:59:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98202 Notorious, I think that’s a great thought that masculinity and self-reliance (as well as self-confidence) are interrelated. Interesting how their lower grades and performance don’t translate into lower pay or less access to the levers of power after college, though. If and when that happens, boy howdy we’ll have a boy crisis on our hands! (But I’m not holding my breath.)

And, Indyanna: 9 out of 10 hires? Man, that’s striking. You almost have to want to hire that many men!

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By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98177 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:13:10 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98177 This is indeed interesting — I’ll have to check it out for the next time that someone starts spouting about the boy crisis in higher ed.

One thing that I’ve noticed, and that might affect performance: female students ask for help more often. Actually, “more often” is a serious understatement; my male students almost never ask for help, unless it’s a deadline extension. This probably has something to do with the part of American masculinity that centers on self-reliance, but I think this may be an issue.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/13/anything-i-can-do-you-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-98167 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:47:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1415#comment-98167 This is interesting. I’m still trying to compile data about gender ratios in our History major program as against the universitywide population. Preliminary findings–based on mypem electronic gradebooks since 2000–suggest a U-wide population about 60% female, (all students except history majors have to take our general ed. history course) as against about 26% female in the courses we erroneously denominate “majors’ courses,” but actually to say, history courses. Data on majors in a single cohort year (this one) are still being analyzed. And yeah, nine of the last ten hires from open searches (this excludes adjuncts and noncompetitive conversions from temporary to tenure track status) have been men. Any preliminary conclusions will be reported to this blog first. Data on comparative performance, much less attitudinal variations, are likely to be much longer in the pipeline, if forthcoming at all.

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