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		<title>By: Exclusive report: Joe rocked the rally at Moo Moo U. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/06/signs-and-the-times-focus-on-potterville/comment-page-1/#comment-102566</link>
		<dc:creator>Exclusive report: Joe rocked the rally at Moo Moo U. : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was unable to fathom more than a few hundred folks attending this event. In spite of the recent New York Times&#8217; claim that Potterville is up for grabs, Republicans dominate Weld county! And I&#8217;ve always thought that even the student body leans [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was unable to fathom more than a few hundred folks attending this event. In spite of the recent New York Times&#8217; claim that Potterville is up for grabs, Republicans dominate Weld county! And I&#8217;ve always thought that even the student body leans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Swing state election news and notes : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swing state election news and notes : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the times update:  The yard sign battle in my neighborhood, which was once so lopsided, is now being won decisively by Barack Obama and other Democratic candidates.  The week after I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the times update:  The yard sign battle in my neighborhood, which was once so lopsided, is now being won decisively by Barack Obama and other Democratic candidates.  The week after I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Readr</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/06/signs-and-the-times-focus-on-potterville/comment-page-1/#comment-94846</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too many signs out for anyone near the beach. Not even open houses from the real estate people. Interestingly, bumper stickers are not very visible either -- in contrast to the Kerry/Edwards stickers we all had. In any case, if the Obama campaign is doing something (anything!) differently than the Kerry campaign, then more power to them. Smith Michaels raises a good question about how much signs matter -- I suspect they help buid morale for the people who put them up, but not sure they influence actual votes. 

I imagine the campaign won&#039;t send any signs or stickers to Cali -- Obama is up by 17 points. But they did just open a new campaign office down the hill, and it&#039;s filled with people calling NEvada and organizing caravans. Viva Last Vegas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too many signs out for anyone near the beach. Not even open houses from the real estate people. Interestingly, bumper stickers are not very visible either &#8212; in contrast to the Kerry/Edwards stickers we all had. In any case, if the Obama campaign is doing something (anything!) differently than the Kerry campaign, then more power to them. Smith Michaels raises a good question about how much signs matter &#8212; I suspect they help buid morale for the people who put them up, but not sure they influence actual votes. </p>
<p>I imagine the campaign won&#8217;t send any signs or stickers to Cali &#8212; Obama is up by 17 points. But they did just open a new campaign office down the hill, and it&#8217;s filled with people calling NEvada and organizing caravans. Viva Last Vegas!</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/06/signs-and-the-times-focus-on-potterville/comment-page-1/#comment-94601</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a nice video and it was good to get a looksee at Tree City.  They kept interviewing the same three people or couples over and over though. Which day&#039;s _Times_ was it in?  I didn&#039;t see it this morning. I just re-crossed the rural terrain I described in this morning&#039;s note, and a few lonely Obama signs have infiltrated the wilderness.  Here in the college town, not surprisingly, it&#039;s pretty much all-Obama.  

If the market keeps dropping 300+ points a day we may have to scramble to get an election held at all.  Check out New York City, where Mike Bloomberg has done an all-Rudy, claiming that only a billionaire like himself can afford to try to keep the town afloat in this economy, and so trying to pull an end-run on a term limits law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a nice video and it was good to get a looksee at Tree City.  They kept interviewing the same three people or couples over and over though. Which day&#8217;s _Times_ was it in?  I didn&#8217;t see it this morning. I just re-crossed the rural terrain I described in this morning&#8217;s note, and a few lonely Obama signs have infiltrated the wilderness.  Here in the college town, not surprisingly, it&#8217;s pretty much all-Obama.  </p>
<p>If the market keeps dropping 300+ points a day we may have to scramble to get an election held at all.  Check out New York City, where Mike Bloomberg has done an all-Rudy, claiming that only a billionaire like himself can afford to try to keep the town afloat in this economy, and so trying to pull an end-run on a term limits law.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE:  There are now 3 Obama/Biden signs in my neighborhood that I hadn&#039;t seen before today, but my across-the-street neighbors are flying the McCain/Palin pennant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE:  There are now 3 Obama/Biden signs in my neighborhood that I hadn&#8217;t seen before today, but my across-the-street neighbors are flying the McCain/Palin pennant.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/06/signs-and-the-times-focus-on-potterville/comment-page-1/#comment-94419</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It concerns me that even in my neighborhood, which is the part of town that has the most reliable Dem vote, there are way more Republican signs out there than any Dem signs, and there are zero Obama signs even in yards with other Dem signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It concerns me that even in my neighborhood, which is the part of town that has the most reliable Dem vote, there are way more Republican signs out there than any Dem signs, and there are zero Obama signs even in yards with other Dem signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;ve seen thus far in South Carolina is only yard signs for local elections (school board, state seats, etc), pretty much nothing for either Obama or McCain. However, there are a lot of people with Obama T-shirts, and I&#039;ve seen no McCain/Palin T-shirts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve seen thus far in South Carolina is only yard signs for local elections (school board, state seats, etc), pretty much nothing for either Obama or McCain. However, there are a lot of people with Obama T-shirts, and I&#8217;ve seen no McCain/Palin T-shirts.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/06/signs-and-the-times-focus-on-potterville/comment-page-1/#comment-94360</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith Michaels--thanks for your insider explanation.  You&#039;ve hit on my concern exactly when you write:

&lt;em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;This can reduce the chances of marginal voters turning out for you. These sort of voters can look around their neighborhood and see vey little Obama stuff and they think that he’s doomed and that their vote doesn’t matter. So they don’t even bother to vote. In close election this can hurt you. A lot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Four years ago, it was really exciting to see so many Kerry/Edwards signs around in such an overwhelmingly Republican town in an overwhelmingly Republican CD.  It helped energize a lot of volunteers--believe me, it was more fun to canvass when you saw at least a few Kerry signs in people&#039;s lawns, and not just Bush signs.  I understand the Obama campaign&#039;s *Personal Touch* evangelism, but Obama will need the support of over-40 homeowners in addition to the college kids.  So, I don&#039;t quite understand the campaign&#039;s &quot;frugality,&quot; from this perspective.  (And, I think it will look strange to see my yard, for example, which has/will have signs out supporting Dems up and down the ticket, but no Obama sign.  Don&#039;t you?  Riesberg, Markey, Udall--and no one else?)

And ej, thanks for confirming what I&#039;ve also (not) seen in FC.  The Obama campaign is out in force at Baa Ram U. between 11 and 2 every day signing up voters (today is the last day to register!!!), but I don&#039;t get why the campaign wouldn&#039;t want to increase the feeling of Obama support in neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith Michaels&#8211;thanks for your insider explanation.  You&#8217;ve hit on my concern exactly when you write:</p>
<p><em></p>
<blockquote><p>This can reduce the chances of marginal voters turning out for you. These sort of voters can look around their neighborhood and see vey little Obama stuff and they think that he’s doomed and that their vote doesn’t matter. So they don’t even bother to vote. In close election this can hurt you. A lot.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Four years ago, it was really exciting to see so many Kerry/Edwards signs around in such an overwhelmingly Republican town in an overwhelmingly Republican CD.  It helped energize a lot of volunteers&#8211;believe me, it was more fun to canvass when you saw at least a few Kerry signs in people&#8217;s lawns, and not just Bush signs.  I understand the Obama campaign&#8217;s *Personal Touch* evangelism, but Obama will need the support of over-40 homeowners in addition to the college kids.  So, I don&#8217;t quite understand the campaign&#8217;s &#8220;frugality,&#8221; from this perspective.  (And, I think it will look strange to see my yard, for example, which has/will have signs out supporting Dems up and down the ticket, but no Obama sign.  Don&#8217;t you?  Riesberg, Markey, Udall&#8211;and no one else?)</p>
<p>And ej, thanks for confirming what I&#8217;ve also (not) seen in FC.  The Obama campaign is out in force at Baa Ram U. between 11 and 2 every day signing up voters (today is the last day to register!!!), but I don&#8217;t get why the campaign wouldn&#8217;t want to increase the feeling of Obama support in neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was a college kid, we thought college kids were going to topple the whole system.  And I guess we, um, well, did... But that&#039;s a long story.  Anyway, do-over.  We don&#039;t have yards here in central Philly, but in the battle of the window signs, it&#039;s no contest, albeit a pretty low intensity version of no contest.  I did see my first McCain-Palin window sign last night, some brave individualist(s) over on Spruce Street.  Otherwise, all or most of the holdout Hillary signs (including mine) have come down, and it&#039;s pretty much all Obama.  I do think they&#039;re mostly for local psychic reinforcement, but that&#039;s not an irrelevant measure of impending effectiveness.

Just to report on the supposedly-critical Philadelphia western suburbs, it&#039;s now being said that Republican local chiefs--who are used to ruling there--are looking madly for bridges to jump off of.  This may be critical, as Pennsylvania is still being listed as contested territory, and the swath of interior rural PA that I drove through on Friday was a blurred wilderness of McCain lawn cardboard.  

Have to check this flick out as soon as I get back west tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was a college kid, we thought college kids were going to topple the whole system.  And I guess we, um, well, did&#8230; But that&#8217;s a long story.  Anyway, do-over.  We don&#8217;t have yards here in central Philly, but in the battle of the window signs, it&#8217;s no contest, albeit a pretty low intensity version of no contest.  I did see my first McCain-Palin window sign last night, some brave individualist(s) over on Spruce Street.  Otherwise, all or most of the holdout Hillary signs (including mine) have come down, and it&#8217;s pretty much all Obama.  I do think they&#8217;re mostly for local psychic reinforcement, but that&#8217;s not an irrelevant measure of impending effectiveness.</p>
<p>Just to report on the supposedly-critical Philadelphia western suburbs, it&#8217;s now being said that Republican local chiefs&#8211;who are used to ruling there&#8211;are looking madly for bridges to jump off of.  This may be critical, as Pennsylvania is still being listed as contested territory, and the swath of interior rural PA that I drove through on Friday was a blurred wilderness of McCain lawn cardboard.  </p>
<p>Have to check this flick out as soon as I get back west tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith Michaels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: yard signs:

At most local Obama headquarters the distribution of yard signs is based on one volunteering, either to phone bank or canvas. Sometimes at big rallies you can get a yard sign but this is uncommon. There are a couple of reasons for this:

1.) The official Obama campaign stance (as I understand it) is that face to face, voter to voter contact is more important than yard signs or bumper stickers. According to this theory, people don&#039;t vote because they see that their neighbors all have Obama or McCain yard signs but because a fellow voter took the time to talk to them face to face.

2.) The Obama &quot;swag&quot; that a local office gets from the central campaign is tied to their meeting certain quotas, especially with regards to phone banking. Thus if you don&#039;t meet your quotas no swag. Thus local offices are very stingy with what swag they do have, especially the much valued yard signs.

I think the Obama stance has a lot going for it but there are some problems. Namely, that tying volunteering to swag reduces the total amount of stuff with Obama&#039;s name on it in circulation. This can reduce the chances of marginal voters turning out for you. These sort of voters can look around their neighborhood and see vey little Obama stuff and they think that he&#039;s doomed and that their vote doesn&#039;t matter. So they don&#039;t even bother to vote. In close election this can hurt you. A lot. 

At the same time, blanketing an place with your swag doesn&#039;t necessarily mean victory. When I was working for Kerry in 2004 in WV, we had more shit than we knew what to do with. Somewhere I still have a bag full of Kerry/Edwards buttons that we just could not give away. Being saturated in Kerry swag ended up doing nothing for us.

Thus there is a difficult balance I think, one that only hindsight can really judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: yard signs:</p>
<p>At most local Obama headquarters the distribution of yard signs is based on one volunteering, either to phone bank or canvas. Sometimes at big rallies you can get a yard sign but this is uncommon. There are a couple of reasons for this:</p>
<p>1.) The official Obama campaign stance (as I understand it) is that face to face, voter to voter contact is more important than yard signs or bumper stickers. According to this theory, people don&#8217;t vote because they see that their neighbors all have Obama or McCain yard signs but because a fellow voter took the time to talk to them face to face.</p>
<p>2.) The Obama &#8220;swag&#8221; that a local office gets from the central campaign is tied to their meeting certain quotas, especially with regards to phone banking. Thus if you don&#8217;t meet your quotas no swag. Thus local offices are very stingy with what swag they do have, especially the much valued yard signs.</p>
<p>I think the Obama stance has a lot going for it but there are some problems. Namely, that tying volunteering to swag reduces the total amount of stuff with Obama&#8217;s name on it in circulation. This can reduce the chances of marginal voters turning out for you. These sort of voters can look around their neighborhood and see vey little Obama stuff and they think that he&#8217;s doomed and that their vote doesn&#8217;t matter. So they don&#8217;t even bother to vote. In close election this can hurt you. A lot. </p>
<p>At the same time, blanketing an place with your swag doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean victory. When I was working for Kerry in 2004 in WV, we had more shit than we knew what to do with. Somewhere I still have a bag full of Kerry/Edwards buttons that we just could not give away. Being saturated in Kerry swag ended up doing nothing for us.</p>
<p>Thus there is a difficult balance I think, one that only hindsight can really judge.</p>
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