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		<title>By: Are you part of the solution, or part of the problem? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you part of the solution, or part of the problem? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] of you who remain blissfully ignorant of &#8220;Outcomes Assessment,&#8221; allow me to explain:  academic departments are asked to invent new tests and measures by which to measure their students&amp;#....  That&#8217;s right, friends!  It&#8217;s redundant work for everyone, except for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of you who remain blissfully ignorant of &#8220;Outcomes Assessment,&#8221; allow me to explain:  academic departments are asked to invent new tests and measures by which to measure their students&amp;#&#8230;.  That&#8217;s right, friends!  It&#8217;s redundant work for everyone, except for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-94037</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that last analogy, Fratguy.  It set me to thinking that if I was in that cabinet room I&#039;d maybe like to be channelling Ramsey Clark going off-message, or Stew Udall. Poor Dean Rusk even. HUD didn&#039;t even have an &quot;Edu-function&quot; in those days.  Who&#039;d have thought we&#039;d reach a point where you could make a case that one of the country&#039;s big mistakes in the last half century was ignoring Ronald Reagan&#039;s plea to just say yes and kill off the federal DOE?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that last analogy, Fratguy.  It set me to thinking that if I was in that cabinet room I&#8217;d maybe like to be channelling Ramsey Clark going off-message, or Stew Udall. Poor Dean Rusk even. HUD didn&#8217;t even have an &#8220;Edu-function&#8221; in those days.  Who&#8217;d have thought we&#8217;d reach a point where you could make a case that one of the country&#8217;s big mistakes in the last half century was ignoring Ronald Reagan&#8217;s plea to just say yes and kill off the federal DOE?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Fratguy</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93991</link>
		<dc:creator>Fratguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica, I appreciate your perspective on the place of asessment and quantification in private industry.  Indeed it is the mantra of most of my friends in the business world that it is impossible to know anything or do anything without data.  You are absolutely right as well that the data generated seldom serves the purposes of those from whom it is gathered, it is much much for the benefit of the management class. 

Any exercise in quantification and prediction runs into the dichotomy of applicability vs generizability.  A hypothesis is tested to generate data, for example how efective a particular teaching technique is.  If more a priori stipulations and specifications are placed on how a particular technique is tested (ie this particular technique, by professors from this particular school of thought, to this set of students with a minimum level of education etc etc etc) the data that is generated will more accurately reflect expected student outcomes WITHIN THE DEFINED CONFINES OF THE EXPERIMENT.  In order to turn the experiment from a mere parlor trick into something that is generalizable, that can be picked up off the shelf and used universally, preconditions need to be lifted and the data becomes subsequently much less robust.

By the descriptions in this post is appears that there are no experimental conditions imposed on the data that is gathered.  It is infinitely generalizable and therefore nothing more that a numeric description of what has happened.  Without preconditions or descriptions of the experiment the &quot;data&quot; is utterly meaningless.  It cannot tell you how to improve your your teaching, it does not even define &quot;improve&quot; other than as a change in the data, maybe.  People who traffic in tautologies should be called out for the BS artists that they are.

The resulting data, or rather descriptive numbers, though meaningless are nonetheless very potent in the wrong hands.  It is clear that management loves this stuff as a means of justification of self and of predetermined ends.  If the data is meaningless it can be made to mean anything.  In my field this &quot;data&quot; is used as a bludgeon to alter behavior (how the hell else are you going to get through the skulls of a generally male and upper middle class workforce ?)  Sometimes this is a good and necessary thing, when the desired outcome is demonstrably desireable and measureable.  We have all been conditioned to slobber when the grade bell is rung.  On the other hand when the ends are not as neatly defineable, or demostrably good, I sit in meeetings, let the drone of numbers wash over me and pretend that I am the HUD secretary under LBJ.  The droning CEO becomes Secretary McNamara talking about kill ratios.  I can only hope these people will be judged as poorly by history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica, I appreciate your perspective on the place of asessment and quantification in private industry.  Indeed it is the mantra of most of my friends in the business world that it is impossible to know anything or do anything without data.  You are absolutely right as well that the data generated seldom serves the purposes of those from whom it is gathered, it is much much for the benefit of the management class. </p>
<p>Any exercise in quantification and prediction runs into the dichotomy of applicability vs generizability.  A hypothesis is tested to generate data, for example how efective a particular teaching technique is.  If more a priori stipulations and specifications are placed on how a particular technique is tested (ie this particular technique, by professors from this particular school of thought, to this set of students with a minimum level of education etc etc etc) the data that is generated will more accurately reflect expected student outcomes WITHIN THE DEFINED CONFINES OF THE EXPERIMENT.  In order to turn the experiment from a mere parlor trick into something that is generalizable, that can be picked up off the shelf and used universally, preconditions need to be lifted and the data becomes subsequently much less robust.</p>
<p>By the descriptions in this post is appears that there are no experimental conditions imposed on the data that is gathered.  It is infinitely generalizable and therefore nothing more that a numeric description of what has happened.  Without preconditions or descriptions of the experiment the &#8220;data&#8221; is utterly meaningless.  It cannot tell you how to improve your your teaching, it does not even define &#8220;improve&#8221; other than as a change in the data, maybe.  People who traffic in tautologies should be called out for the BS artists that they are.</p>
<p>The resulting data, or rather descriptive numbers, though meaningless are nonetheless very potent in the wrong hands.  It is clear that management loves this stuff as a means of justification of self and of predetermined ends.  If the data is meaningless it can be made to mean anything.  In my field this &#8220;data&#8221; is used as a bludgeon to alter behavior (how the hell else are you going to get through the skulls of a generally male and upper middle class workforce ?)  Sometimes this is a good and necessary thing, when the desired outcome is demonstrably desireable and measureable.  We have all been conditioned to slobber when the grade bell is rung.  On the other hand when the ends are not as neatly defineable, or demostrably good, I sit in meeetings, let the drone of numbers wash over me and pretend that I am the HUD secretary under LBJ.  The droning CEO becomes Secretary McNamara talking about kill ratios.  I can only hope these people will be judged as poorly by history.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93906</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people want to see a foundational document in this national project for the &quot;high-schoolization of the collegium&quot; check out _Greater Expectations_ a group written paean (?) to the goal of &quot;alignment&quot; as an uber value of higher education.  Sponsored by the Carnegie Something or some other such think tank and staffed by a who&#039;s who of the academic managerial class.  Just read the &quot;Executive Summary&quot; if you don&#039;t have time to wade through.  It begins with a chilling attack on the concept of &quot;faculty ownership&quot; of courses. By this is not meant the specialized question of copyright or intellectual property rights in distance education materials.  Rather, it refers to the traditional idea that a university hires presumed experts in this or that field and then gives them career-long chunks of time to decide what is best to teach and how to do it. (You know, what you experienced up there in college).  That was good enough back in the 20th century when only a large fraction of the population went to college.  Now that it&#039;s as necessary as high school was in your grandpa&#039;s day we need to organize college more like high school.  So you&#039;ll come back from a summer in the archives and the new executive vice dean of curriculum management [think of an Assistant Superintendent] will clap sharply and say: listen up, this is what we&#039;re going to do this year, I need you to do this, you all to do that, etc.  That&#039;s the new Greater Expectations vision statement of how it needs to work.  The newly-implemented (if a bit Orwellian) &quot;alignment&quot; of everything with just about everything else will flatten the speed bumps that traditionally made some students decide to do something else besides stay in college.  This is good for retention.  _Greater Expectations_, it turns out, provided the entire template for my institution&#039;s ongoing (and just aborted) project to revise its &quot;Liberal Studies Program&quot; in order to embed this &quot;culture of assessment&quot; in it.

Oh, yeah, and forget about that part of coming back from summer in the archives. Just joking. G.S. prominently features reams of the newly obligatory boilerplate whine about the regrettable cult of institutional reward for research and publication over continuing alignment studies.  So we&#039;re going to cut that part out too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people want to see a foundational document in this national project for the &#8220;high-schoolization of the collegium&#8221; check out _Greater Expectations_ a group written paean (?) to the goal of &#8220;alignment&#8221; as an uber value of higher education.  Sponsored by the Carnegie Something or some other such think tank and staffed by a who&#8217;s who of the academic managerial class.  Just read the &#8220;Executive Summary&#8221; if you don&#8217;t have time to wade through.  It begins with a chilling attack on the concept of &#8220;faculty ownership&#8221; of courses. By this is not meant the specialized question of copyright or intellectual property rights in distance education materials.  Rather, it refers to the traditional idea that a university hires presumed experts in this or that field and then gives them career-long chunks of time to decide what is best to teach and how to do it. (You know, what you experienced up there in college).  That was good enough back in the 20th century when only a large fraction of the population went to college.  Now that it&#8217;s as necessary as high school was in your grandpa&#8217;s day we need to organize college more like high school.  So you&#8217;ll come back from a summer in the archives and the new executive vice dean of curriculum management [think of an Assistant Superintendent] will clap sharply and say: listen up, this is what we&#8217;re going to do this year, I need you to do this, you all to do that, etc.  That&#8217;s the new Greater Expectations vision statement of how it needs to work.  The newly-implemented (if a bit Orwellian) &#8220;alignment&#8221; of everything with just about everything else will flatten the speed bumps that traditionally made some students decide to do something else besides stay in college.  This is good for retention.  _Greater Expectations_, it turns out, provided the entire template for my institution&#8217;s ongoing (and just aborted) project to revise its &#8220;Liberal Studies Program&#8221; in order to embed this &#8220;culture of assessment&#8221; in it.</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, and forget about that part of coming back from summer in the archives. Just joking. G.S. prominently features reams of the newly obligatory boilerplate whine about the regrettable cult of institutional reward for research and publication over continuing alignment studies.  So we&#8217;re going to cut that part out too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93874</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notorious, I&#039;ve seen these &quot;Expected Learning Outcomes&quot; on other (usually more junior) people&#039;s syllabi, and I&#039;ve wondered, &quot;um, isn&#039;t that what a syllabus IS already?&quot;  After all, syllabi at least roughly describe the course content, then list the assigned books, and then list specific topics for study, sometimes even lecture titles and study questions, and of course specific assignments (especially on detailed 6-page syllabi like yours).  Now I understand:  &quot;ELO&quot; is a code restating what any sentient reader could pick up from reading the rest of the syllabus.

I&#039;m so sorry that you&#039;ve been put through this pointless exercise in pointless hurdle-clearing.  I take pleasure in the pretty certain knowledge that if anyone on my department&#039;s T &amp; P committee complained that a junior colleague didn&#039;t have a statement of ELO, that that comment would be roundly derided as pointless nitpicking and that the commenter would be told &quot;DUH, read the frackin&#039; syllabus.&quot;

Again, I ask:  when did we consent to this self-neutering and second-guessing as a way of life?  Sometimes I think that many of our colleagues don&#039;t see the value in their work.  (How adding an ELO statement addresses that, I have no idea.  I think therapy would be a better investment of one&#039;s time and money.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notorious, I&#8217;ve seen these &#8220;Expected Learning Outcomes&#8221; on other (usually more junior) people&#8217;s syllabi, and I&#8217;ve wondered, &#8220;um, isn&#8217;t that what a syllabus IS already?&#8221;  After all, syllabi at least roughly describe the course content, then list the assigned books, and then list specific topics for study, sometimes even lecture titles and study questions, and of course specific assignments (especially on detailed 6-page syllabi like yours).  Now I understand:  &#8220;ELO&#8221; is a code restating what any sentient reader could pick up from reading the rest of the syllabus.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry that you&#8217;ve been put through this pointless exercise in pointless hurdle-clearing.  I take pleasure in the pretty certain knowledge that if anyone on my department&#8217;s T &#038; P committee complained that a junior colleague didn&#8217;t have a statement of ELO, that that comment would be roundly derided as pointless nitpicking and that the commenter would be told &#8220;DUH, read the frackin&#8217; syllabus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I ask:  when did we consent to this self-neutering and second-guessing as a way of life?  Sometimes I think that many of our colleagues don&#8217;t see the value in their work.  (How adding an ELO statement addresses that, I have no idea.  I think therapy would be a better investment of one&#8217;s time and money.)</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93867</link>
		<dc:creator>Notorious Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all seriousness, I like Indyanna&#039;s idea of a strike, but it only works for the tenured.  Last year, in my last professional review before tenure, I got glowing reviews, except that I needed to specify my &quot;expected learning outcomes&quot; in my syllabi -- already usually 6 single-spaced pages.  This year, for tenure review, they&#039;re in there.  I seriously considered putting in a paragraph-length ode to assessment in my narrative, but restrained myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all seriousness, I like Indyanna&#8217;s idea of a strike, but it only works for the tenured.  Last year, in my last professional review before tenure, I got glowing reviews, except that I needed to specify my &#8220;expected learning outcomes&#8221; in my syllabi &#8212; already usually 6 single-spaced pages.  This year, for tenure review, they&#8217;re in there.  I seriously considered putting in a paragraph-length ode to assessment in my narrative, but restrained myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indyanna nails it with her comments on the slippery slope and the brilliant suggestion of a nationwide strike against the idiocies of LOA.  LOA is at best a huge sink-hole that takes time away from faculty research and departmental action on serious issues.  At worst, it&#039;s an assault on academic freedom and a covert means of assessing teachers and programs.  The program administrator in our house fears that those &quot;results&quot; we all more or less make up may be used to justify cuts in instruction or programs somewhere down the line.  But don&#039;t tell her dean she said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indyanna nails it with her comments on the slippery slope and the brilliant suggestion of a nationwide strike against the idiocies of LOA.  LOA is at best a huge sink-hole that takes time away from faculty research and departmental action on serious issues.  At worst, it&#8217;s an assault on academic freedom and a covert means of assessing teachers and programs.  The program administrator in our house fears that those &#8220;results&#8221; we all more or less make up may be used to justify cuts in instruction or programs somewhere down the line.  But don&#8217;t tell her dean she said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93841</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for carrying on the conversation here without me yesterday!

I like PZ&#039;s suggestion, although it sounds suspiciously non-quantitative and so I don&#039;t know if it would fly.   Indyanna&#039;s &quot;Electronic Evidence Room&quot; numbers generator  approach might be the way to go.  Who would notice, I wonder?

I also like ej&#039;s notion of billable hours, but you&#039;re right:  that&#039;s not the kind of data &quot;assessment&quot; demands.  &quot;Assessment&quot; is an exercise in which we&#039;re supposed to identify &quot;areas for improvement&quot; instead of congratulate ourselves on a job well done.  Erica&#039;s stories about &quot;assessment&quot; among engineers was depressing, but it highlights the arbitrary (if not totally perverse) nature of the data we&#039;re supposedly collecting.

Deliliah, thanks for your insider perspective on assessment.  I especially liked your diagnosis as to why assessment is a particular disease of the Educrats:

&lt;em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The inherent barrier teachers face regarding assessment is that we have no long term capability of proving our worth as educators. Consequently, administrators can question our methods (teaching “skills”) and our in-house results (student grades) with impunity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Perhaps Indyanna&#039;s prankish suggestion that we submit obituaries of majors is the way to go.  (But, the problem with that approach is that today obituaries are, God willing, an assessment of a department at work 50 years ago...)   

I guess the question is, when historically did people in higher education feel the need to explain why and how specficially education is of itself a good thing?  (This is a trend that goes farther back than Republican takeovers of state legislatures, although that&#039;s been a potent recent reality for many of us in public higher ed.)  Why did we neuter ourselves politically by deigning to answer questions like that?  That&#039;s like asking farmers to prove that food is good for human growth.  Just because some of us make our livings providing food and education doesn&#039;t make the endeavor suspicious or corrupt.

My guess is that this has something to do with the professionalization of education in the twentieth century, as well as feminism.  In many ways, the democratization of education in the 20th C relied on the underpaid or free labor (of nuns) of women teachers.  That is, around the turn of the 20th C as women moved into education and men moved out of it, it became cheaper and therefore feasable to offer to more people, thus making secondary school standard instead of just elementary ed. for all.  But, by the 1960s and 1970s, when other professional options besides &quot;teacher&quot; or &quot;nurse&quot; were open to bright young women, those bright young women abandoned education as a career for higher-paying jobs.  This put public school districts and private schools in a position of having to pay higher wages, thus the demand for &quot;accountability,&quot; &quot;assessment,&quot; etc.  No one much cared about education until teachers had a modicum of leverage to insist on better wages.  The fact that many of those bright women went to graduate school, got Ph.D.s, and to some extent, feminized (some of) the humanities is part of the bigger picture for the advent of &quot;assessment&quot; in colleges and universities.

But, this is all just a guess.  Those of you who are twentieth century historians and/or historians of education may disagree and will perhaps offer a more compelling explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for carrying on the conversation here without me yesterday!</p>
<p>I like PZ&#8217;s suggestion, although it sounds suspiciously non-quantitative and so I don&#8217;t know if it would fly.   Indyanna&#8217;s &#8220;Electronic Evidence Room&#8221; numbers generator  approach might be the way to go.  Who would notice, I wonder?</p>
<p>I also like ej&#8217;s notion of billable hours, but you&#8217;re right:  that&#8217;s not the kind of data &#8220;assessment&#8221; demands.  &#8220;Assessment&#8221; is an exercise in which we&#8217;re supposed to identify &#8220;areas for improvement&#8221; instead of congratulate ourselves on a job well done.  Erica&#8217;s stories about &#8220;assessment&#8221; among engineers was depressing, but it highlights the arbitrary (if not totally perverse) nature of the data we&#8217;re supposedly collecting.</p>
<p>Deliliah, thanks for your insider perspective on assessment.  I especially liked your diagnosis as to why assessment is a particular disease of the Educrats:</p>
<p><em></p>
<blockquote><p>The inherent barrier teachers face regarding assessment is that we have no long term capability of proving our worth as educators. Consequently, administrators can question our methods (teaching “skills”) and our in-house results (student grades) with impunity.</p></blockquote>
<p></em></p>
<p>Perhaps Indyanna&#8217;s prankish suggestion that we submit obituaries of majors is the way to go.  (But, the problem with that approach is that today obituaries are, God willing, an assessment of a department at work 50 years ago&#8230;)   </p>
<p>I guess the question is, when historically did people in higher education feel the need to explain why and how specficially education is of itself a good thing?  (This is a trend that goes farther back than Republican takeovers of state legislatures, although that&#8217;s been a potent recent reality for many of us in public higher ed.)  Why did we neuter ourselves politically by deigning to answer questions like that?  That&#8217;s like asking farmers to prove that food is good for human growth.  Just because some of us make our livings providing food and education doesn&#8217;t make the endeavor suspicious or corrupt.</p>
<p>My guess is that this has something to do with the professionalization of education in the twentieth century, as well as feminism.  In many ways, the democratization of education in the 20th C relied on the underpaid or free labor (of nuns) of women teachers.  That is, around the turn of the 20th C as women moved into education and men moved out of it, it became cheaper and therefore feasable to offer to more people, thus making secondary school standard instead of just elementary ed. for all.  But, by the 1960s and 1970s, when other professional options besides &#8220;teacher&#8221; or &#8220;nurse&#8221; were open to bright young women, those bright young women abandoned education as a career for higher-paying jobs.  This put public school districts and private schools in a position of having to pay higher wages, thus the demand for &#8220;accountability,&#8221; &#8220;assessment,&#8221; etc.  No one much cared about education until teachers had a modicum of leverage to insist on better wages.  The fact that many of those bright women went to graduate school, got Ph.D.s, and to some extent, feminized (some of) the humanities is part of the bigger picture for the advent of &#8220;assessment&#8221; in colleges and universities.</p>
<p>But, this is all just a guess.  Those of you who are twentieth century historians and/or historians of education may disagree and will perhaps offer a more compelling explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: PZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the departments I work for came up with a good one for this: the final assessment is done by the student, and they assess the major and what it has done for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the departments I work for came up with a good one for this: the final assessment is done by the student, and they assess the major and what it has done for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/10/04/assess-this/comment-page-1/#comment-93612</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is or can be a difference between program assessment--rational beings sitting around talking about what is and isn&#039;t working--and &quot;outcomes&quot; (sic) assessment, in which the prof. who just entered the final grade that&#039;s deemed insufficiently probative of whatever then--before going off on holiday--applies a different (but doubtless proxy) gridded rubric that&#039;s another way of saying the same thing but that IS suddenly deemed probative. As far as not being used by administrators, at my institution you can see the slippery-slope elements like the melted chocolate chips on a kid&#039;s face.  Everything is understood to be beta version and just to get the accreditors off the Ed. School&#039;s back until the next visitation.  Then in the next breath we&#039;re hearing about the need to establish a &quot;culture of assessment&quot; institution-wide. I wouldn&#039;t buy into anything about just for internal use.  My senior colleagues (now mostly retired) recall how course evaluations came in on little cat&#039;s feet, just for faculty self-critique, etc. Wouldn&#039;t think of making them into personnel criteria, etc.  Right.  What amazes me is why faculties nationwide don&#039;t conspire to topple these regimes that bleed in through the side membranes of the suite, without consultation to say nothing of consent.  If they (as was said in the old good days) gave an assessment and nobody hit the &quot;submit&quot; button, coast to coast, is there an &quot;Air Traffic Controllers&quot; solution (cf. Reagan, 1982-1983) that could be used to bust the strike?  Fire &#039;em all?  If there is, it would be a dream come true for all the nervous dissertators out there, almost like the earthquake we imagined hitting the AHA back in &#039;??.  But, as Nikita Kruschev once said, the living would envy the dead in the nuclear winter of the reconstructed university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is or can be a difference between program assessment&#8211;rational beings sitting around talking about what is and isn&#8217;t working&#8211;and &#8220;outcomes&#8221; (sic) assessment, in which the prof. who just entered the final grade that&#8217;s deemed insufficiently probative of whatever then&#8211;before going off on holiday&#8211;applies a different (but doubtless proxy) gridded rubric that&#8217;s another way of saying the same thing but that IS suddenly deemed probative. As far as not being used by administrators, at my institution you can see the slippery-slope elements like the melted chocolate chips on a kid&#8217;s face.  Everything is understood to be beta version and just to get the accreditors off the Ed. School&#8217;s back until the next visitation.  Then in the next breath we&#8217;re hearing about the need to establish a &#8220;culture of assessment&#8221; institution-wide. I wouldn&#8217;t buy into anything about just for internal use.  My senior colleagues (now mostly retired) recall how course evaluations came in on little cat&#8217;s feet, just for faculty self-critique, etc. Wouldn&#8217;t think of making them into personnel criteria, etc.  Right.  What amazes me is why faculties nationwide don&#8217;t conspire to topple these regimes that bleed in through the side membranes of the suite, without consultation to say nothing of consent.  If they (as was said in the old good days) gave an assessment and nobody hit the &#8220;submit&#8221; button, coast to coast, is there an &#8220;Air Traffic Controllers&#8221; solution (cf. Reagan, 1982-1983) that could be used to bust the strike?  Fire &#8216;em all?  If there is, it would be a dream come true for all the nervous dissertators out there, almost like the earthquake we imagined hitting the AHA back in &#8216;??.  But, as Nikita Kruschev once said, the living would envy the dead in the nuclear winter of the reconstructed university.</p>
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