Comments on: Prof. Martha Fineman, founder of the Feminist Legal Theory Project http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:41:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: RecordRat http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-252122 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:48:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-252122 Does anyone have a link to Fineman’s article, Why Marriage? please send to drum4peace at gmail.com

thanks…

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-91748 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:34:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-91748 Whoo-hoo! H.A., you are connected! (What happened to your relationship with Mr. Fineman?)

And, it sounds like I need to read that book!

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By: Homostorian Americanist http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-91694 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:31:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-91694 A bit late in the game I’d like to just chime in with props for Martha Albertson Fineman. I read her book, The Neutered Mother, the Sexual Family, and Other Twentieth-Century Tragedies, as an undergrad and was blown away. She advocated — long before my fellow queers — for the abolition of marriage as a legal category. And she rarely gets the credit by those same queer academics who act like they invented the idea. In Fineman’s account it’s about feminist ends, however, as well as for the benefit of children. Worthy goals both.

Back in the days when I lived in New York and had more of a social (and sexual) life I once met a Fineman (and he was a fine man) at a bar called The Phoenix. It was where everyone went in the 1990s East Village. After a slightly tipsy conversation, I discovered his identity. He wasn’t just *a* Fineman, he was a son of *the* Fineman. I promptly went home with him.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88539 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:15:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88539 Thanks, Liz–good suggestion. I’ll have to check that out. I’ve seen and overheard those patronizing “compliments” too–men who will compliment a female colleage’s cookies or pies, or ask them about their children but won’t engage them in an intellectual discussion.

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By: Liz http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88479 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:55:28 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88479 Might I recommend the book “Voices of Women Historians” as an interesting read, especially for grad students to get a sense of what our senior female colleagues went through (and continue to go through) since the 1960s. I have had several experiences that slowly opened my eyes to the wall that female academics face. At my current position I have one male colleague who consistently will speak about the elegent style of particular female colleagues and seems to think that is somehow complementary (but never mentions their intellectual ability). And I must note that he specifically exoticizes the women who count as “stylish”. The “feminists” get short shrift. Another colleague will walk past my wide-open office door and say to himself loudly, “oh well, nobody is here” – meaning all of my male colleagues whose offices are near mine. But I also work with some amazing senior scholars who are women and for that I am grateful.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88364 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:31:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88364 Notorious–part of this post was to recognize Fineman and her achievements, but sadly, I can assure you all that the insults and skepticism she reports from her early career are not entirely in the rear-view mirror.

I wish I could assure grad students and junior faculty that those stories are just from the Bad Old Days and not the Enlightened Present, but I can’t. I know I marched off to grad school in 1990 incredibly appreciative of my foremothers’ accomplishments and secure in the knowledge that all of those battles were fought and won, only to find myself fighting if not the same battle, a new front that had opened up in the larger war in the later 1990s and early 2000s.

I think many, if not most, graduate students are innocent of misogyny, resentment, and other forms of backlash politics until they join the working world. It seems like universities have done a much better job at levelling the playing field in classrooms than they have in the faculty lounges and boardrooms.

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By: Notorious Ph.D. http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88280 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:59:42 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88280 Every once in a while, we need to stop and praise the Foremothers. Thank you.

(And a special thank you for the bibliographic references, because I need to engage a bit more with Feminist Legal Theory in my introduction, and I was at a dead end.)

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88267 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:35:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88267 Thanks, Ann–I’ve corrected the spelling of the name above.

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By: Ann Bartow http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88234 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:57:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88234 The correct name is Soia Mentschikoff and if you Google it you will learn a lot about her, see e.g.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8536/Mentschikoff-Soia.html

I’ve heard that Mentschikoff was a generous mentor to a lot of women, including one of my colleagues here at South Carolina who was the first woman on this faculty.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/25/prof-martha-fineman-founder-of-the-feminist-legal-theory-project/comment-page-1/#comment-88196 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:41:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=1208#comment-88196 I would have been “defeated” back then, and maybe thereafter defibrillated, by having the teaching load on my present job, to say nothing of having the four kids. Fortunately, I got to break in as a visitor elsewhere on a 2-2 with a grad. seminar in the mix, before I had to go face the t. track. (I contrived back then to imagine 2/2 as a crushing workload, at least in the preparation and lecture-writing sense. Quel fou!) What came next in the trajectory for Soya Metchnikoff, anybody know?

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