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		<title>By: Outrageous! Gardasil required of female green card applicants, to the tune of $400 : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outrageous! Gardasil required of female green card applicants, to the tune of $400 : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (and apologies!) to Professor BlackWoman from WOC Ph.D., who alerted me last month to this outrage.  (While you&#8217;re over there, check out her nice new design and software.)  I&#8217;ve been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (and apologies!) to Professor BlackWoman from WOC Ph.D., who alerted me last month to this outrage.  (While you&#8217;re over there, check out her nice new design and software.)  I&#8217;ve been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86872</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prof bw:  that is a great post--thanks for sending the link.  I agree with you completely that it&#039;s obscene and ridiculous for the U.S. government to force would-be immigrant women to take the vaccine, especially because the research suggests that its effectiveness in adult women in questionable.  I also disagree with the efforts of states to mandate the vaccine (especially if they&#039;re not paying for it), and share your concerns about Merck&#039;s marketing and lobbying strategies.

I guess I would say that just because a vaccine or medical procedure CAN be used exploitatively doesn&#039;t mean that it isn&#039;t also beneficial and useful.  There was a big debate here this summer about Caesarian Sections--and opinion split along the lines of feminists (like me!) who support invasive allopathic procedures because in the end they save women&#039;s and children&#039;s lives, and feminists who are reasonably skeptical of surgical procedures like the C-section because they make things easier for the physicians rather than safer and easier for women and children.  There is nothing inherently bad about any medical intervention:  everything is context.  Knowledge and consent are the keys to any legitimate practice of medicine.  I believe most physicians today get this--but the allopathic medicial profession has not always put this at the center of their practice, as your apt historical connections show.

And, ana:  thanks for stopping by to comment.  I am in awe of both nurses and midwives!  Routine screening is clearly of central importance to women&#039;s reproductive and sexual health.  No vaccine will replace that--but it appears that Gardasil will prevent some of the deadlier consequences of sexual activity with men for some girls and women.

(The Historiann &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historiann.com/2008/06/07/obgyns-ourselves/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;C-section analysis and debate is here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prof bw:  that is a great post&#8211;thanks for sending the link.  I agree with you completely that it&#8217;s obscene and ridiculous for the U.S. government to force would-be immigrant women to take the vaccine, especially because the research suggests that its effectiveness in adult women in questionable.  I also disagree with the efforts of states to mandate the vaccine (especially if they&#8217;re not paying for it), and share your concerns about Merck&#8217;s marketing and lobbying strategies.</p>
<p>I guess I would say that just because a vaccine or medical procedure CAN be used exploitatively doesn&#8217;t mean that it isn&#8217;t also beneficial and useful.  There was a big debate here this summer about Caesarian Sections&#8211;and opinion split along the lines of feminists (like me!) who support invasive allopathic procedures because in the end they save women&#8217;s and children&#8217;s lives, and feminists who are reasonably skeptical of surgical procedures like the C-section because they make things easier for the physicians rather than safer and easier for women and children.  There is nothing inherently bad about any medical intervention:  everything is context.  Knowledge and consent are the keys to any legitimate practice of medicine.  I believe most physicians today get this&#8211;but the allopathic medicial profession has not always put this at the center of their practice, as your apt historical connections show.</p>
<p>And, ana:  thanks for stopping by to comment.  I am in awe of both nurses and midwives!  Routine screening is clearly of central importance to women&#8217;s reproductive and sexual health.  No vaccine will replace that&#8211;but it appears that Gardasil will prevent some of the deadlier consequences of sexual activity with men for some girls and women.</p>
<p>(The Historiann <a href="http://www.historiann.com/2008/06/07/obgyns-ourselves/" rel="nofollow">C-section analysis and debate is here</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: prof bw</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86810</link>
		<dc:creator>prof bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgive my grammar here, my disability is clearly acting up. my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgive my grammar here, my disability is clearly acting up. my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: prof bw</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86809</link>
		<dc:creator>prof bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about not including that:

http://profbw.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/the-state-can-violate-womens-bodies-if-they-want-to/

As I say in my conclusion of the piece the issue is three-fold: 1. uneven mandated use that targets a specific population popularly presumed to be brown,(regardless of actual race it is a mandated on a marginalized population based on their membership in that marginalized group) 2. the testing, marketing, and history of the vaccine 3. those things placed within a historical narrative of medical HSB and marginalized communities (yes, particularly with regards to issues of sex and gender related health) My post is more about that narrative than the others but their are links throughout to research, pros and cons, and critical questions about the vaccine including the CDC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about not including that:</p>
<p><a href="http://profbw.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/the-state-can-violate-womens-bodies-if-they-want-to/" rel="nofollow">http://profbw.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/the-state-can-violate-womens-bodies-if-they-want-to/</a></p>
<p>As I say in my conclusion of the piece the issue is three-fold: 1. uneven mandated use that targets a specific population popularly presumed to be brown,(regardless of actual race it is a mandated on a marginalized population based on their membership in that marginalized group) 2. the testing, marketing, and history of the vaccine 3. those things placed within a historical narrative of medical HSB and marginalized communities (yes, particularly with regards to issues of sex and gender related health) My post is more about that narrative than the others but their are links throughout to research, pros and cons, and critical questions about the vaccine including the CDC.</p>
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		<title>By: ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to second what prof bw says.  There are some really good reasons to be skeptical of this vaccine (which make it quite different from both things like seat belts and other, better-established vaccines) that do not at all involve being squeamish about sex or otherwise stupid or paranoid.  The politics behind the approval and marketing of this vaccine should give one serious pause.  Since you mentioned nurses, i will add that my person is a nurse, months away from being a midwife, and we are in agreement that if we had a teenager, we would likely not do Gardasil right now.  And we are all about the evidence-based medicine.  Right now, to me, routine screening is the better way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to second what prof bw says.  There are some really good reasons to be skeptical of this vaccine (which make it quite different from both things like seat belts and other, better-established vaccines) that do not at all involve being squeamish about sex or otherwise stupid or paranoid.  The politics behind the approval and marketing of this vaccine should give one serious pause.  Since you mentioned nurses, i will add that my person is a nurse, months away from being a midwife, and we are in agreement that if we had a teenager, we would likely not do Gardasil right now.  And we are all about the evidence-based medicine.  Right now, to me, routine screening is the better way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86624</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prof bw--thanks for stopping by to comment.  I didn&#039;t see your post on the HPV vaccine--can you give us a link?

I realize that the vaccine isn&#039;t perfect--it doesn&#039;t bill itself as a 100% prevention against cervical cancer.  I also realize that no vaccine is completely risk-free.  I think the vast, vast majority of resistance to this vaccine is because it acknowledges that girls someday may have sex.

I remain an advocate for vaccinating all children for everything.  There are too many holes in our public health net now, because in part of irrational middle-class fears about vaccination (versus the real fears of disease!), and also because of inadequate health care for many families, who can&#039;t vaccinate their children because of the cost.  It&#039;s a shame and a scandal in my opinion that there are measles outbreaks now--and who knows what else might be brewing somewhere because people can&#039;t afford or refuse to vaccinate.

Evidence-based allopathic medicine is what I want for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prof bw&#8211;thanks for stopping by to comment.  I didn&#8217;t see your post on the HPV vaccine&#8211;can you give us a link?</p>
<p>I realize that the vaccine isn&#8217;t perfect&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t bill itself as a 100% prevention against cervical cancer.  I also realize that no vaccine is completely risk-free.  I think the vast, vast majority of resistance to this vaccine is because it acknowledges that girls someday may have sex.</p>
<p>I remain an advocate for vaccinating all children for everything.  There are too many holes in our public health net now, because in part of irrational middle-class fears about vaccination (versus the real fears of disease!), and also because of inadequate health care for many families, who can&#8217;t vaccinate their children because of the cost.  It&#8217;s a shame and a scandal in my opinion that there are measles outbreaks now&#8211;and who knows what else might be brewing somewhere because people can&#8217;t afford or refuse to vaccinate.</p>
<p>Evidence-based allopathic medicine is what I want for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: prof bw</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86512</link>
		<dc:creator>prof bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and it does not fight all types of cervical cancer so you still have to be tested, there are no longevity studies, and there is documented proof that some women who develop the types of HPV that are prevented by the vaccine never develop cancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it does not fight all types of cervical cancer so you still have to be tested, there are no longevity studies, and there is documented proof that some women who develop the types of HPV that are prevented by the vaccine never develop cancer.</p>
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		<title>By: prof bw</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-86511</link>
		<dc:creator>prof bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote an extensively documented piece about the vaccine on my website including questionable issues with the research, the FDA approval, and subsequent deaths and permanent paralysis as a result of this vaccine.  Several states have reversed their decision to mandate after deaths in the area, one country has banned it until further testing, and another has a nation wide protest against including someone who ran in her local area on a platform to get rid of it.

I know people who did the initial research that isolated HPV as a major cause and after doing the research on the drug I did I wrote a piece deeply concerned about its use.

It isn&#039;t just about squeamish parents its about testing, marketing, the history of the company that patented one of the two shots available, the death of young girls, and now the forced administration to any girls wanting to enter this country legally or become legalized when citizens do not have to take it. There is a lot more going on here than middle class mothers over active fears or purantical mothers nightmares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote an extensively documented piece about the vaccine on my website including questionable issues with the research, the FDA approval, and subsequent deaths and permanent paralysis as a result of this vaccine.  Several states have reversed their decision to mandate after deaths in the area, one country has banned it until further testing, and another has a nation wide protest against including someone who ran in her local area on a platform to get rid of it.</p>
<p>I know people who did the initial research that isolated HPV as a major cause and after doing the research on the drug I did I wrote a piece deeply concerned about its use.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just about squeamish parents its about testing, marketing, the history of the company that patented one of the two shots available, the death of young girls, and now the forced administration to any girls wanting to enter this country legally or become legalized when citizens do not have to take it. There is a lot more going on here than middle class mothers over active fears or purantical mothers nightmares.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/18/anti-cancer-vaccine-too-hawt-4-ur-kidz/comment-page-1/#comment-85780</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, KC.  The NPR story addresses the cost issue, and points out that parents in Britain are less fearful of the vaccine, perhaps because it&#039;s provided by the national health.  But, the study of the nurses&#039; attitudes is what caught my attention.  And, I agree that if the testing bears out, boys should get the vaccine too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, KC.  The NPR story addresses the cost issue, and points out that parents in Britain are less fearful of the vaccine, perhaps because it&#8217;s provided by the national health.  But, the study of the nurses&#8217; attitudes is what caught my attention.  And, I agree that if the testing bears out, boys should get the vaccine too.</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knitting Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing a big part of the picture here -- how many of the 4/5 have health insurance?  These vaccines are not cheap -- I think the entire series is something like $300.  Also, the vaccine only protects against two out of the four HPV strains that have been linked to cervical cancer.  Finally, why just target girls -- if you want herd immunity, boys should be vaccinated too (fyi -- HPV has been linked to cancers in men as well). For more of my thoughts on this, see my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing a big part of the picture here &#8212; how many of the 4/5 have health insurance?  These vaccines are not cheap &#8212; I think the entire series is something like $300.  Also, the vaccine only protects against two out of the four HPV strains that have been linked to cervical cancer.  Finally, why just target girls &#8212; if you want herd immunity, boys should be vaccinated too (fyi &#8212; HPV has been linked to cancers in men as well). For more of my thoughts on this, see my blog.</p>
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