Comments on: POWs in the eighteenth century http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 22 Sep 2014 04:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-78097 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:25:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-78097 Prof. Zero–what a horror. That makes eighteenth-century Indian captivity look like summer camp by comparison. (And even being jailed as an English POW in Quebec or Montreal looks like Club Med by comparison, too.)

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By: Professor Zero http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-77731 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:23:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-77731 In Peru, for odd family reasons (a representative was needed, and everyone else was stressed out from work, and they were putting me up, so I volunteered) I attended a class reunion of this famous military school, immortalized in Vargas Llosa’s novel _The City and the Dogs_.

Part of the reunion involved visiting an 18th century fort where they kept political prisoners in oubliettes. Sentences were two years and people were packed in together. There was not enough space to lie down fully or stand up fully. They got bread and water twice a week and lime was thrown in every once in a while to deal with the corpses. Only 20% or so lived to be freed, but all bodies had to stay in there the entire two years, whether they were living bodies or not.

Supposedly, when they got out the sun blinded them permanently because they were no longer used to it, their pupils were too dilated. I have read that this happened to those released from the Bastille as well. I do not understand how it works scientifically, but it is apparently like having eye damage from looking at an eclipse.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76742 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:57:43 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76742 Thanks, DV–a friend forwarded me the Anne Kilkenny viral e-mail just yesterday. I found it mostly fair. And, thanks for the tip on the polling data! I use the RealClearPolitics to keep track of everything–they also collect state polling data and highlight swing state polls.

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By: DV http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76740 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:52:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76740 If you haven’t seen it, here’s a bit of fodder for the counter offensive – a letter from Wasilla Democrat Anne Kilkenny. (She seems even-handed and someone has tried to reference her accounts.)

Also, I wanted to recommend fivethirtyeight.com. I’ve found it a good site for compilation of polling data.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76725 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:11:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76725 And Indyanna–I could assemble a very substantial bookshelf of titles by including just those of my regular commenters–and who knows what other great and prolific scholars are out there lurking?

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76722 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:10:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76722 Well, I’m coming to appreciate dedication to winning. I just wish it were my team that had the fire in the belly! You’re right that Obama needs that support, but he’s very dedicated to a strategy where he controls all. I hope he starts getting better results for it, because it’s not really working now. (See the new USA today/Gallup poll, which backs up and magnifies McCain’s lead as pegged by the Gallup daily tracker earlier today.)

McCain is a candidate from another century–the twentieth century. But, if you want to talk stupid, Rad, then you’d have to admit that the two or three presidential campaigns (depending on whether or not you count 2000 as a 20th or 21st C campaign) in the twenty-first century have set new land records for stupid. 2000, 2004, and 2008 make the 1984 “where’s the beef?” campaign look positively Lincolnesque.

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By: Rad Readr http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76656 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:28:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76656 Wesley Clark was ineffective because not long after he launched his attack, Obama issued a statement slapping him down. At some point Obama is going to have to attack Republicans and stop trying to look nice. He needs to support the surrogate attacks. When is he going to realize that he is up against shameless people who will do anything to win?

Thanks for bringing up the 18th century. As McCain delivered his POW speech at the convention and flew the nationalist flag, I was thinking, this is a candidate from another century.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76640 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:31:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76640 Great. If I ever get the next one finished, there’s noplace I’d better like to see it break into light than behind a tableau of shiny lead colonists on this blog!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76594 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:46:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76594 Sure! Your book is in the library, just not on that exact shelf. (That’s mostly a colonial New England women’s history shelf, in case you can’t tell…)

To be sure, raids by all sides included a lot of crop burning. But, because people were focused on dealing with “mud season” and getting their crops in the ground, no one had a lot of time or energy to raid in the spring or even early summer. (This is a hungry time of the year, too–any dried or smoked foods are long gone, and many Indian people especially were living off of fishing and clamming.)

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/09/07/pows-in-the-eighteenth-century/comment-page-1/#comment-76584 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:16:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=906#comment-76584 Was there a Caughnawaga Hilton or anything like that? In a lot of places, interfering with the agricultural calendar of the other side was a part of the idea of cross-cultural raiding warfare, and I guess that was an early example of the best defense being a good offense. That’s a great diorama above, Historiann, except that I’m creaking my neck trying to deep-read or thick-descript your bookshelf! Any chance for product-placement the next time you do one of these? :}

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