Comments on: Wailin’ about Palin! http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:25:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69817 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:45:48 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69817 You may be right. I think that Republicans see it another way. I wish the Dem candidate were as beholden to his base as McCain, but that’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats!

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By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69784 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:10:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69784 I’m not suggesting there needs to be a personal friendship or they even need to get along. I’m just saying it sounds like of all the possibilities on the short list, she was vetted the least, and chosen when time was winding down. All I’m suggesting is that if the article in the Times is right, and he did want Lieberman (or Ridge, etc) and was forced to cave for fear of alienating his conservative base, it doesn’t bode well for a “Maverick” McCain presidency. The conservative base may be celebrating, but I think moderates should be concerned.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69771 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:56:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69771 Do you really think that Obama was best buds with Joe Biden? They knew each other in the Senate, but let’s not forget that Biden and Obama were each other’s opponents.

It’s perfectly fine for McCain to make his decision based on politics, not personal feelings. That’s what the VP selection should be about. They’re frequently marriages of convenience. (JFK and LBJ, anyone?) I agree with you that Obama’s new ad, the one that starts out, “He’s made his choice…” is a good one, because as you say the focus is on McCain.

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By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69754 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:38:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69754 I think so far, the Obama campaign has handled this well, at least in terms of the new ads. Its not about her, its about him. And clearly McCain wants this decision to affirm his maverick status, but it seems to me that it actually could hurt him with moderates. It could just as easily be spun as him bowing to the religious right (which I personally think is exactly what he did). Whatever one may think about her, he barely knows her! To me, that speaks volumes about his decision making process generally.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69727 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:10:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69727 Nicole–right on. Republicans pander to their base, as they should, whereas Dems piss on their base. Gee, I wonder why one party marches in lockstep, and in the other it’s like herding cats? (By the way, the marching in lockstep is not always a good thing–but it sure comes in handy for actually WINNING ELECTIONS!)

Geoff, you suggest a strategy for dealing with McCain (hothead, bad tempered, prone to make seat-of-the-pants judgements) that sounds good to me. But, I still think Dems should try to thread the needle on that and avoid attacking Palin directly or personally or on anything but her policy positions. We’ll see what the polling looks like since the Palin announcement, but just as you’ve got your informants among your union brethren, I’ve got my connections with moderate and Republican women, and this pick has got their attention.

You may be right–the pick may turn out to be a disaster. But, I also think that Dems should proceed cautiously and wait to see how she plays. As I said in my previous post, underestimating Republicans and not taking them seriously is how Dems lose elections.

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By: Geoff http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69102 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:04:21 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69102 Okay, can’t help but jump in here. I agree with many points already made. The Democrats should make every effort to inform voters of Palin’s positions. Her policies are not as fresh as her resume or age would suggest. They should respect her and define her carefully.

However, the choice of Palin as VP should be used to criticize (no, bludgeon) McCain’s decision-making ability. Remember, it hasn’t been Democrats who have been bringing up the experience issue, it has rather been the centerpiece of McCain’s criticism of Obama. Who has focused on the War on Terror as the focus of his future presidency? McCain again. So, he does he pick for VP? Someone who two years ago was Mayor of a town of less then 10,000 and just got her passport last year.

She is who she is and she can’t help it — as fratguy said, her achievements are greater than most of ours. So there’s no need to criticize her for being something she’s not (broadly experienced). She has just filled a role she was asked to fill by a leader in her party. There’s every reason to criticize the person who picked her to be next in line to the Presidency.

I’d like to see us win elections by arguing the issues, but heck, we’ve seen where that got us in the past. If we win by subtley defining John McCain as ill-tempered and unreliable, prone to risky decisions, that’ll sit just fine with me. It’ll mean we’re finally learning something from the Republican playbook.

Some of you think that Palin is a decent choice. I think he just gave Obama a few points, if not thrown the election. Palin’s choice won’t sit well with many of my blue-collar brethren who have invested decades learning the nuances of a trade and have a lot of respect for expertise. My educated opinion is that they’re going to be incredulous that someone with such a thin resume could be trusted with the Presidency. Sure her gender isn’t helping her out any with some in this crowd but Obama’s race isn’t a plus with this demographic either. Palin’s choice may be a game changer, but not the way McCain wanted. Now I’m on record. What’ll you wager, fratguy? Pork shoulder vs. sauerbraten?

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By: nicole http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69084 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:41:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69084 I don’t get Obama’s attempt to get those voters- doesn’t he get that they’ll NEVER vote for him? Especially now that Palin is in the picture- the Religious Right’s biggest complaint about McCain was that he wasn’t conservative enough- but man-o-man is she!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69012 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:54:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69012 Fratguy–where have you been? The mystery deepens…

My guess is that the anti-abortion and anti-gay rights stuff isn’t how Obama will want to go after Palin, given his recent attempts to soften or downplay his stances on those issues so that he can court the same evangelical voters who are now really jazzed about Palin.

I’m sure that Obama and Biden won’t actually make the comments about the clothes, hair, body, beauty pageant, or call her a MILF etc., but let’s see if they speak out against this trash.

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By: Fratguy http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-69007 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:48:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-69007 As I may or may not be a histioran of note I will choose to stick to my passing familiarity with current events in responding to the whining and nit picking regarding Sarah Palin. As to experience, I would argue that Dick Cheny has had the most foreign policy and Washington experience of any vice president or president, elected or aspiring in the last 16 years. For electing that experience we were rewarded with a shadow governmnent, and an incompetent one at that. But then again Historiann you are right about the women’s tee’s for national office. Dems had no early qualms about giving the launch codes to Howard Dean, another governor from a thinly populated state that borders Canada.

As someone who is close to Governor Palin’s age, my accomplishments cannot hold a candle to hers. Are some of the sour grapes I taste on the internets nothing more than simple, ugly, envy? Surely these commentators do not think that these are reasonable arguements that will gain traction with the electorate. McCain chose a sympathetic, politically savvy, buzz generating running mate who throws a ton of reddest of red meat to his previously shaky base. Show some sense and attack her for that reason and that reason alone. Rejection of same sex partner benefits, opposition to abortion, period. This is to be hung around her neck like an albatross. Do not mention gender, experience, or the “scandal” about trying to get her wife beating brother in law fired from the state police. (The dude tried to Taser her 12 year old nephew for heaven’s sake, any male politico that did not personally pistol whip this guy would be forever held inelligible for public office). Maybe I’m right maybe I’m wrong, maybe Governor Palin will be John McCain’s Thomas Eagleton. I will go on record saying that his choice plus the convention gives McCain a minimum 6 point bump, even if the Dems can stop their petulant highschool catty bullsh!t.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/30/wailin-about-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-68951 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:02:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=743#comment-68951 Indyanna, talk to me after seeing the same negative ads on TV 6 billion times…

And Bing: I can live with D-bag. I just can’t type it!

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