Comments on: This is a huge part of the problem http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Thu, 23 May 2013 13:13:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Another reason to consult some women’s historians : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-68895 Another reason to consult some women’s historians : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:15:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-68895 [...] on grooming and promoting women candidates?  In other words, consider this a follow-up post to my post last week about the total absence of women’s historians on the PBS panel of historians commenting on the Democratic National [...] [...] on grooming and promoting women candidates?  In other words, consider this a follow-up post to my post last week about the total absence of women’s historians on the PBS panel of historians commenting on the Democratic National [...]

]]> By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65412 Indyanna Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:29:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65412 Yeah, and even if Kerber, Cooke, and whoever SHE suggested were tied up, there's a virtually endless list they could have gone to before they got to "Beschloss," right? It's pretty nuts; I think they don't want too many long words, to say nothing of too much critical talk. Yeah, and even if Kerber, Cooke, and whoever SHE suggested were tied up, there’s a virtually endless list they could have gone to before they got to “Beschloss,” right? It’s pretty nuts; I think they don’t want too many long words, to say nothing of too much critical talk.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65406 Historiann Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:20:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65406 Hi Sharon--thanks for stopping by to comment. Great minds think alike! I think Linda Kerber would be better than Blanche Cook--it's the historical perspective of the <em>longue duree</em> that I think is missing on these panels, where they seem to think that American history started with FDR. And women's historians know that in terms of change over time, even in the twentieth century, sixty years is a pisshole in the snow. Hi Sharon–thanks for stopping by to comment. Great minds think alike!

I think Linda Kerber would be better than Blanche Cook–it’s the historical perspective of the longue duree that I think is missing on these panels, where they seem to think that American history started with FDR.

And women’s historians know that in terms of change over time, even in the twentieth century, sixty years is a pisshole in the snow.

]]> By: Sharon http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65387 Sharon Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:41:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65387 Funny thing. Here's the text of the email I sent to Linda Kerber Tuesday night while watching PBS: For two nights, I have been watching PBS coverage of the DNC. It makes me crazy that they have a panel of three "presidential historians"--all men. I did vent to PBS, but I felt the need to complain further. They should have asked YOU! And there's a good list of other women historians who would be as good or better than the guys they've got. Arrgh. Linda replied with this suggestion: Blanche Cook. Funny thing. Here’s the text of the email I sent to Linda Kerber Tuesday night while watching PBS:

For two nights, I have been watching PBS coverage of the DNC. It makes me crazy that they have a panel of three “presidential historians”–all men. I did vent to PBS, but I felt the need to complain further. They should have asked YOU! And there’s a good list of other women historians who would be as good or better than the guys they’ve got. Arrgh.

Linda replied with this suggestion: Blanche Cook.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65274 Historiann Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:01:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65274 Hi Kevin--well, Joseph did his best to correct Smith's analysis, which assumed that women = white women. I was only watching during the Hillary Clinton hour, though, so you may have seen more than I saw. Beschloss's comments after Clinton's speech were very patronizing about her. Let's see if Joe Biden can get the crowd going the way she did--I won't hold my breath tonight--but it's up to him and Obama to forge party unity now. Thanks for stopping by to comment--stop by again! Hi Kevin–well, Joseph did his best to correct Smith’s analysis, which assumed that women = white women. I was only watching during the Hillary Clinton hour, though, so you may have seen more than I saw.

Beschloss’s comments after Clinton’s speech were very patronizing about her. Let’s see if Joe Biden can get the crowd going the way she did–I won’t hold my breath tonight–but it’s up to him and Obama to forge party unity now.

Thanks for stopping by to comment–stop by again!

]]> By: Kevin Lockett http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65187 Kevin Lockett Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:19:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65187 I found the analysis disturbing for two reasons: 1. It ignored the experience of African American women. In speaking in broad terms about "women" it ignored their unique experience and the ways in which they have not been traditionally fully incorporated into the women's rights movement. 2. Beschloss belittled the struggle of African American's for political access in the way he compare Obama's candidacy (he one of one black senators) to Clinton's loss (she's one of 12 women senators). I think the whole thing was an insult to women and to blacks. I found the analysis disturbing for two reasons:
1. It ignored the experience of African American women. In speaking in broad terms about “women” it ignored their unique experience and the ways in which they have not been traditionally fully incorporated into the women’s rights movement.
2. Beschloss belittled the struggle of African American’s for political access in the way he compare Obama’s candidacy (he one of one black senators) to Clinton’s loss (she’s one of 12 women senators).
I think the whole thing was an insult to women and to blacks.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65161 Historiann Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:39:15 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65161 Goodwin knows something about Eleanor Roosevelt, at least. Even so, I think it would have been good to have an actual women's historian. Goodwin knows something about Eleanor Roosevelt, at least. Even so, I think it would have been good to have an actual women’s historian.

]]> By: Clio Bluestocking http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65148 Clio Bluestocking Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:17:49 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65148 They kinda prove the sexism with their own actions, don't they? And they wonder why women get so upset! Are they really this tone deaf, or do they try really hard to be? They kinda prove the sexism with their own actions, don’t they? And they wonder why women get so upset! Are they really this tone deaf, or do they try really hard to be?

]]> By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2008/08/26/this-is-a-huge-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-65131 Knitting Clio Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:49:26 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=670#comment-65131 Yeah, really -- couldn't they at least have trotted out their favorite token female historian, Doris Kearns Goodwin, even though her field is not women's history? Yeah, really — couldn’t they at least have trotted out their favorite token female historian, Doris Kearns Goodwin, even though her field is not women’s history?

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