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	<title>Comments on: Motherhood and the construction of women&#8217;s athletic talent</title>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women are easily stimulated when male athletes pull off their clothes and pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are easily stimulated when male athletes pull off their clothes and pants.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Redington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Redington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 12:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see both sides of this... You hate to define an athlete as anything other than an athlete. However, after my wife gave birth it took a lot of effort to get her body back in shape to compete and to compete at such a great standard is an honorable feat. As far as I&#039;m concerned I would not care one bit if I was called a father before being called an athlete. 

If I had the great opportunity to bear my own children and overcame the obvious physical and mental impact that act had upon my body in order to become or remain a world-class athlete, I would highlight the fact that I was a mother. I guess in my world being a mother is much greater than being an Olympic athlete.

As I mentioned, I can see the other side of this in that someone who worked so hard could be described or must be described as anything other than an athlete could be construed as diverting from the greatness of the person&#039;s ability. I just choose to mention that I am a father every opportunity I get... It is what I want to define me, not if I could at one point in my life run, jump or swim faster than anyone else in the world.

On the sexuality thing, every man I know that has a great body is more than willing to take off his shirt and most likely his pants. The difference is in the desires of those looking at the body. Many men get stimulated very easily and I can get stimulated by a beautiful lesbian mom as much as I can by a gorgeous college athlete, but not as much as when my wife gets out of the shower.

I guess my overall point is that while it is sad that we have to define people by things other than their accomplishments, we must remember that being a mother is truly one of the most amazing accomplishments humanity has... because if we didn&#039;t have that, you and I wouldn&#039;t be here to chat about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see both sides of this&#8230; You hate to define an athlete as anything other than an athlete. However, after my wife gave birth it took a lot of effort to get her body back in shape to compete and to compete at such a great standard is an honorable feat. As far as I&#8217;m concerned I would not care one bit if I was called a father before being called an athlete. </p>
<p>If I had the great opportunity to bear my own children and overcame the obvious physical and mental impact that act had upon my body in order to become or remain a world-class athlete, I would highlight the fact that I was a mother. I guess in my world being a mother is much greater than being an Olympic athlete.</p>
<p>As I mentioned, I can see the other side of this in that someone who worked so hard could be described or must be described as anything other than an athlete could be construed as diverting from the greatness of the person&#8217;s ability. I just choose to mention that I am a father every opportunity I get&#8230; It is what I want to define me, not if I could at one point in my life run, jump or swim faster than anyone else in the world.</p>
<p>On the sexuality thing, every man I know that has a great body is more than willing to take off his shirt and most likely his pants. The difference is in the desires of those looking at the body. Many men get stimulated very easily and I can get stimulated by a beautiful lesbian mom as much as I can by a gorgeous college athlete, but not as much as when my wife gets out of the shower.</p>
<p>I guess my overall point is that while it is sad that we have to define people by things other than their accomplishments, we must remember that being a mother is truly one of the most amazing accomplishments humanity has&#8230; because if we didn&#8217;t have that, you and I wouldn&#8217;t be here to chat about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Motherhood and the construction of women&#8217;s athletic talent, part II: U.S. Open edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motherhood and the construction of women&#8217;s athletic talent, part II: U.S. Open edition : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] regarding the spate of stories about Darra Torres and other women athletes with children, I wrote about my bafflement about the ways in which women athletes who are mothers are written.  I asked, &#8220;Why does anyone think that motherhood necessarily erodes or competes with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] regarding the spate of stories about Darra Torres and other women athletes with children, I wrote about my bafflement about the ways in which women athletes who are mothers are written.  I asked, &#8220;Why does anyone think that motherhood necessarily erodes or competes with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am full of X chromosomes, so maybe my opinion doesn&#039;t matter,I but here goes...

I prefer the word &quot;mother&quot; to &quot;mom&quot;, as I consider it more proper and complimentary.  Mothers raise children, moms drive minivans.

That notwithstanding, I think it is alright to mention that someone is a mother, unless they prefer it to not be mentioned.  Motherhood is an important role in life.  I have great respect for good mothers.  I had one as a child and I am married to one now.  

I think I understand how some women would see the &quot;mom&quot; thing as uncomplimentary.  The physiology of it does suggest that the fact that the athlete gave birth is quite irrelavent.  If the mother has young children, and is raising them, well the time and effort required to do that alone is overwhelming.  To be able to do that and train as an athlete is astounding.

Any woman with abs like that should be proud of them, mother or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am full of X chromosomes, so maybe my opinion doesn&#8217;t matter,I but here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>I prefer the word &#8220;mother&#8221; to &#8220;mom&#8221;, as I consider it more proper and complimentary.  Mothers raise children, moms drive minivans.</p>
<p>That notwithstanding, I think it is alright to mention that someone is a mother, unless they prefer it to not be mentioned.  Motherhood is an important role in life.  I have great respect for good mothers.  I had one as a child and I am married to one now.  </p>
<p>I think I understand how some women would see the &#8220;mom&#8221; thing as uncomplimentary.  The physiology of it does suggest that the fact that the athlete gave birth is quite irrelavent.  If the mother has young children, and is raising them, well the time and effort required to do that alone is overwhelming.  To be able to do that and train as an athlete is astounding.</p>
<p>Any woman with abs like that should be proud of them, mother or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I am a latecomer to this - but it is just a thought -
Your interpretation of the continual inclusion of mother and athlete with is entirely accurate and a consistent portrayal of a reality that is not complimentary.

It could be a reflection of how mother-hood is often used by some to legitimate a lack of achievement, activity and such like post pregnancy - say an excuse.

or even it could be an appreciation of the physical toll childbirth takes, how easy it is to take child-rearing and use it as an excuse to check out and not strive.

it could even be an exhaltation to those who think that having children is the end of any ambition, athletic or otherwise that such thinking is not only self limiting but contradicted by reality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I am a latecomer to this &#8211; but it is just a thought -<br />
Your interpretation of the continual inclusion of mother and athlete with is entirely accurate and a consistent portrayal of a reality that is not complimentary.</p>
<p>It could be a reflection of how mother-hood is often used by some to legitimate a lack of achievement, activity and such like post pregnancy &#8211; say an excuse.</p>
<p>or even it could be an appreciation of the physical toll childbirth takes, how easy it is to take child-rearing and use it as an excuse to check out and not strive.</p>
<p>it could even be an exhaltation to those who think that having children is the end of any ambition, athletic or otherwise that such thinking is not only self limiting but contradicted by reality!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaitlin, thanks for stopping by to comment.  There are also a lot of men who are out of shape who are obviously not mothers, but these out of shape guys never affect the way that male athletes are portrayed!  And yet, the stereotype of out-of-shape mothers is one that sports writers just can&#039;t leave alone, despite the fact (as you point out) that there are lots of fit mothers out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaitlin, thanks for stopping by to comment.  There are also a lot of men who are out of shape who are obviously not mothers, but these out of shape guys never affect the way that male athletes are portrayed!  And yet, the stereotype of out-of-shape mothers is one that sports writers just can&#8217;t leave alone, despite the fact (as you point out) that there are lots of fit mothers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: kaitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they put so much emphasis on athletic motherhood, because so many people use motherhood as an excuse to become almost completely sedentary and out of shape. It is funny that our society accepts motherhood as an excuse for not taking care of one&#039;s body because there are so many examples of mother&#039;s who are older and in better shape than many 20-year-olds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they put so much emphasis on athletic motherhood, because so many people use motherhood as an excuse to become almost completely sedentary and out of shape. It is funny that our society accepts motherhood as an excuse for not taking care of one&#8217;s body because there are so many examples of mother&#8217;s who are older and in better shape than many 20-year-olds.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny--thanks for leaving us some specific historical examples!  La plus ca change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny&#8211;thanks for leaving us some specific historical examples!  La plus ca change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They seem to think I&#039;m a strange unnatural being...&quot;
--Babe Didrikson, &quot;I Blow My Own Horn&quot; (1936)

Some other historical women Olympians and anxieties about sexuality and bodies (just items I&#039;ve collected, nice to have a place to put them together):

***1920 Olympics:  US swimmer/diver Aileen Riggin and US diver Helen Wainwright were very young (Riggin was 14) and so tiny (Riggin was under 70 lbs) that they won an exemption from wearing the official &quot;women&#039;s&quot; swimsuit.  (Riggin took the gold in springboard diving that year, and more medals four years later in Paris.)

***Helen Herring Stephens (1918-1994) was a US track star at the 1936 (Berlin) Olympics, winning two gold medals.  So, just a teenager at the time...and so muscular that _Look_ magazine printed a photo of her with the caption &quot;Is this a Man or a Woman?&quot;  (She sued and won damages.)

***1992 Olympics (Barcelona):  Algerian runner Hassiba Boulmerka wins the gold in the 1500m, the first gold ever for Algeria, any sport, male or female--but she was treated with spitting, jeers, and death threats on her return home, because she didn&#039;t dress modestly enough while competing. 

***&quot;I only gave up cycling for the three months that the bump stopped me from squeezing behind the handle-bars.&quot;
--Beryl Burton, on bicycling while pregnant

English bike racer Burton (1937-1996) would surely have dominated women&#039;s cycling events in the Olympics--but those events weren&#039;t added to the games until the 1980s.  Instead she was the world record holder in various time trial events outside the Olympics, and a force in the sport for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They seem to think I&#8217;m a strange unnatural being&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Babe Didrikson, &#8220;I Blow My Own Horn&#8221; (1936)</p>
<p>Some other historical women Olympians and anxieties about sexuality and bodies (just items I&#8217;ve collected, nice to have a place to put them together):</p>
<p>***1920 Olympics:  US swimmer/diver Aileen Riggin and US diver Helen Wainwright were very young (Riggin was 14) and so tiny (Riggin was under 70 lbs) that they won an exemption from wearing the official &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; swimsuit.  (Riggin took the gold in springboard diving that year, and more medals four years later in Paris.)</p>
<p>***Helen Herring Stephens (1918-1994) was a US track star at the 1936 (Berlin) Olympics, winning two gold medals.  So, just a teenager at the time&#8230;and so muscular that _Look_ magazine printed a photo of her with the caption &#8220;Is this a Man or a Woman?&#8221;  (She sued and won damages.)</p>
<p>***1992 Olympics (Barcelona):  Algerian runner Hassiba Boulmerka wins the gold in the 1500m, the first gold ever for Algeria, any sport, male or female&#8211;but she was treated with spitting, jeers, and death threats on her return home, because she didn&#8217;t dress modestly enough while competing. </p>
<p>***&#8221;I only gave up cycling for the three months that the bump stopped me from squeezing behind the handle-bars.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Beryl Burton, on bicycling while pregnant</p>
<p>English bike racer Burton (1937-1996) would surely have dominated women&#8217;s cycling events in the Olympics&#8211;but those events weren&#8217;t added to the games until the 1980s.  Instead she was the world record holder in various time trial events outside the Olympics, and a force in the sport for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an article in the Times today about an obscure office within the U.S. Olympic establishement (&quot;Coordinator of Managing Victory&quot;--sounds like a Bush-era operation!?), Torres is described as being prepped for the inevitable media blitz.  During a practice sound check she began counting down from ten, then &quot;as if she knew the direction the interview was headed, she switched course... &#039;Dara Torres,&#039; she said. &#039;Swimmer. Old.&#039;&quot;  So they are clearly oriented to the spin or conventional wisdom, whether they like it or not, choose to subvert it or not. I never know what to make of Roger Clemens being &quot;old,&quot; of Brett Favre being &quot;old,&quot; etc. As the old cliche has it, when the legs begin to go, your dead in an open-stack library system!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an article in the Times today about an obscure office within the U.S. Olympic establishement (&#8220;Coordinator of Managing Victory&#8221;&#8211;sounds like a Bush-era operation!?), Torres is described as being prepped for the inevitable media blitz.  During a practice sound check she began counting down from ten, then &#8220;as if she knew the direction the interview was headed, she switched course&#8230; &#8216;Dara Torres,&#8217; she said. &#8216;Swimmer. Old.&#8217;&#8221;  So they are clearly oriented to the spin or conventional wisdom, whether they like it or not, choose to subvert it or not. I never know what to make of Roger Clemens being &#8220;old,&#8221; of Brett Favre being &#8220;old,&#8221; etc. As the old cliche has it, when the legs begin to go, your dead in an open-stack library system!</p>
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