Comments on: Monday Morning Roundup: troll patrol edition http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:56:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-45237 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:26:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-45237 Hi, hysperia. There apparently remains much confusion over the definition of “satire,” both here and at the New Yorker and Vanity Fair. My comments in this post weren’t a satire, but rather comic hyperbole that wasn’t far off the mark, as you note.

And, as ej and Susie note: taken to extremes, requiring all priests to conform to Jesus’ identity is silly. Why is ethnicity fungible, but sex is not? No reason, other than it serves the interests of those who control the church and its vast resources, riches that derive in large part from the uncompensated labor of poor and enslaved men, and the labor of women of all classes.

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By: hysperia http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-45011 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:18:13 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-45011 Ah, Rosemary Reuther. Anyone who gives her up deserves what they get.

And as for the notion that Catholics think women aren’t much more than animals, I don’t think that’s either hyperbole or anti-Catholicism. To believe that the only moral reason for sexual intercourse is for procreation is to absolutely deny that we have evolved beyond the level of animals. Even that assumes that no animal has ever engaged in sex for pleasure and I’ve no idea if that’s even true. Since it’s women who bear the cost of sexual intercourse without contraception, it actually is women who are doomed, by the Church, to be treated as nothing more than breeding animals.

There are lots of other reasons that I’d agree with your statement Historiann. This is just one.

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By: Susie from Philly http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44906 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:27:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44906 All the apostles were men, so only men can be priests.

All the apostles were Jews, so only Jews can be priests.

Logical, yes?

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By: servetus http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44779 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:52:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44779 Point taken. If we object to cruel satires of the church, we’re not feminist enough. I’ve heard it before. I just find it untenable. Don’t worry, I am going, bye.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44655 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:40:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44655 Another reason to stick with blogs and websites written by real people you trust! (I was sorry to hear about your recent experience.) And, definitely, another reson to stick to the salon model, not the bar fight model, for blog hosts and commenters. Aside from being (in my view) unpleasant and churlish, I don’t think discourtesy accomplishes anything but minds closing and defenses going up even faster.

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By: GayProf http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44645 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:09:02 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44645 I have to say, the blogosphere feels a lot less friendly these days.

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By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44644 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:10 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44644 My bad, Historiann. Thanks for the correction.

I do believe that the last time they visited the idea of female ordination, the bottom line was that women couldn’t be priests because Jesus was a man.

Infallible logic.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44627 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:35:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44627 Mary: Sadly, I’m sure your anti-ordination relative is right. After all, have you seen and heard about what’s going on with the Anglicans? The anti-gay faction is clearly still very exercised about the decision to ordain women thirty-some years ago, and the continuing flap over ordaining and promoting openly gay priests is just another go-round in the same fight. It’s all of a piece with discomfort about traditional sex/gender roles, and the tradition of religious authoritarianism that relies on the women and the gays knowing “their place.” Tiresome–but still very much an ideological reality for primitive thinkers!

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By: mary http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44620 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:24:37 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44620 Well, historiann, like you said in last week’s posting, some people just don’t get satire.

And there are plenty of Catholics out there that agree that the Catholis Church’s continued refusal to ordinate women is totally out of line. My very Catholic extended family took an informal poll on this issue last year, and all but one person, thought that it was high time that women were included in the clergy—and the objector was not the Catholuc priest of nearly 40 years, but a woman who felt that such a decision would create a church schism.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/28/monday-morning-roundup-troll-patrol-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-44608 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:13:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=449#comment-44608 ej–USD is a private, Catholic institution. UCSD is what you must be thinking about.

And, ej, or any other reasonable person: do you have any idea as to how I might possibly be a troll on my own blog?

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