Comments on: Monday morning history roundup: sister can you spare a dime edition http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:05:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Hard times on the distaff side in kid lit? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-101874 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:18:31 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-101874 [...] notes that the big-screen adaptation of the American Girl franchise’s Depression-era kid, Kit Kittredge, was released this summer, and notes that the other books Perl mentions all feature girls as main [...]

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By: Dearfield Colony restoration update : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-84340 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:53:04 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-84340 [...] wrote about the Dearfield Colony last summer, and current efforts by various local organizations and citizens to preserve what’s left of [...]

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35554 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:33:08 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35554 So *that* explains the Will Smith quip at DHD:

“Daddy loves you sweetie, but I gots to stomp you at the box office.”

Ohhh. Thanks.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35468 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:00:10 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35468 Hi cgeye–ok, I’ll explain. SPOILER ALERT!

It’s not a racial passing, but a gender passing. Countee is introduced to the children as a boy by her older hobo sidekick, Will, who serves as a big brother to “him.” After the caper is solved and Will is cleared of suspicion, the white kids in the neighborhood ask, “where’s Countee?” He points to a little girl with her hair in pigtails and says, “there she is,” and explains that hobo life is really hard for girls, so she was safer dressing as a boy.

I had the same association that you had with the name Countee, because of Countee Cullen, but went along with the idea that it could be a boy’s name, too. (Will explains that her real given name is Constance.) I didn’t know that Willow Smith was in the movie, and missed her name in the opening credits, so I was fooled too! But of course, Will and Jada Pinkett-Smith have incredibly adorable children, as you’d expect…

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By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35372 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:48:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35372 Since I haven’t been exposed to Kit Kittredge, please unpack Countee as a ‘great passing role’.

I’m confused because the name Countee chimes back to Countee Cullen, a great AA poet, so it’d be obvious to the black middle class folks whose people most likely named the kid.

Just trying to keep up….

oh, yes. Nice blog!

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35240 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:08:45 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35240 (Partial/provisional) retraction on “Ma” Barker: A quick Wiki just after I hit submit suggests that maybe Kate Barker (initially named “Arizona” by her absconding dad?) may not have been quite the machine-gun wielding matriarch of my proto-memory, but rather more of a den mother to her gang of sons and their accomplice, Alvin Karpis. But this version apparently relies on Karpis’s revisionist claims;
he calls it the “Karpis/Barker” gang, not Barker/Karpis, so who knows? If a crime-busting scholar from Providence reads in on this blog, maybe he could clear it up? There was apparently also a 1960 filmed version of the gang and its lore, but a post-modern take would be most welcome.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35158 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:33:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35158 Hi Indyanna–sounds like you’ve been through the wringer! I hope you can rest for a day or two before it’s back to the bituminous mines.

Yes, Bonnie and Clyde as played by Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway were super-glam, but somehow it fit. Dangerous characters are already sexy and exciting, so it’s not a stretch to prettify them in casting the Hollywood version.

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By: Indyanna http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-35051 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:53:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-35051 Historiann: On the casting of KK, Bonnie and Clyde couldn’t have been nearly as glam-looking as they were made out to be in the classic ’60s movie, I presume, so I guess it’s just what Hollywood does to dollarize what they think of as their indulgence in realism. “Ma” Barker was just plain ugly and scary, and she ruled–and ruled through–her two even-uglier but very obedient sons. I bet the studios never even considered making a movie about *that* 1930s phenomenon. I fed (partly) on pop-noir FBI docu-pictorial books that came into the family through an uncle who was in that line very briefly–being a G-man, I mean! Wow, I’m totally jetlagged. Nobody should change hemispheres and seasons twice in six days. Glad to see that you saw and blogged the flick, though. A piece in the NY Times today suggested that one of the Udall boys may have been at the Stampede in your town!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34921 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:49:57 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-34921 Hi Rachel–maybe we can set up a photo shoot? You and History Enthusiast must be a lot younger than Historiann if you consumed American Girl Doll stories and products in your childhood. I hear what you’re saying Rachel about the books versus movies–but I think the world can use a *lot* more non-exploitative children’s movies that star girls and are about girl characters. All children will watch movies, so it would be nice if there were as many that show girls as main characters who are doing things rather than just reacting to the things that boy characters do.

When I was a child in the 1970s, I loved the Laura Ingalls Wilder “Little House” books–no doubt because the popular TV series inspired a rash of reprints of the books published decades earlier. So it may be the case that “Kit Kittredge” will inspire other girls to read the books about her, and then to read the other American Girl books.

(And, finally–Historiann still has a VCR, but she also still has a fountain pen, an a.m. radio, and a filofax instead of a blackberry.)

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By: Rachel http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/07/monday-morning-history-roundup-sister-can-you-spare-a-dime-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-34879 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:29:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=427#comment-34879 I agree History Enthusiast. I grew up on The American Girls Collection (when it was still Pleasant Company). Those books are mostly the reason why I study women’s history today. I am glad Historiann that the movie was worthwhile, but am really disappointed that the company had to sell out and make some of the girls’ series into movies (Felicity, Samantha, Molly, and now Kit). Instead of encouraging our children to read a book and use their imaginations, they can now just pop it in the vcr (they still sell those anymore?) like almost every other book series. And of course, in translating the book to screen, they really screw up the story. (I still have the dolls, clothes, and accessories Historiann if you’re interested in some more doll blogging).

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