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	<title>Comments on: Fish to politicians:  eff off</title>
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		<title>By: The bookless library : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-483001</link>
		<dc:creator>The bookless library : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these bookless libraries are violating Stanley Fish&#8217;s good advice to university faculty:  &#8220;[d]o your job, don’t try to do someone else’s job and don’t let anyone else do your job...  If libraries cede their historic function as a repository of human knowledge and become more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these bookless libraries are violating Stanley Fish&#8217;s good advice to university faculty:  &#8220;[d]o your job, don’t try to do someone else’s job and don’t let anyone else do your job&#8230;  If libraries cede their historic function as a repository of human knowledge and become more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32569</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;You&#039;re like a parent who spent his youth in an opium den telling his kids just say no.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Excellent line!  But, isn&#039;t that always the way with the Baby Boomer generation:  dissipation for me in my youth, but you Gen Xers and Gen Yers still have to respect my authoriTAY now that I&#039;m an old coot!  Thanks for the up-close and personal look at Fish.  (BTW, I wasn&#039;t going to spend money on the book--I just liked the advice about dealing with state legislators!)  His advice to faculty seems to run counter to what we&#039;re told by everyone else--that we need to make our research &quot;relevant&quot; and &quot;broader.&quot;  Oh well, Fish is nothing if not a contrarian, as well as someone who&#039;s never taken the brand of home cure he&#039;s peddling now.

As for the bullying stuff:  if Fish (or anyone) behaved that way to his colleagues, then it&#039;s bullying.  But if he slapped around some state legislators in an effort to get them to respect his professional expertise, then I&#039;m OK with that.  I think it&#039;s just fine to take it to The Man--but never to those near you or especially not below you on the hierarchy of the Great Chain of Academic Being.</description>
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<p>Excellent line!  But, isn&#8217;t that always the way with the Baby Boomer generation:  dissipation for me in my youth, but you Gen Xers and Gen Yers still have to respect my authoriTAY now that I&#8217;m an old coot!  Thanks for the up-close and personal look at Fish.  (BTW, I wasn&#8217;t going to spend money on the book&#8211;I just liked the advice about dealing with state legislators!)  His advice to faculty seems to run counter to what we&#8217;re told by everyone else&#8211;that we need to make our research &#8220;relevant&#8221; and &#8220;broader.&#8221;  Oh well, Fish is nothing if not a contrarian, as well as someone who&#8217;s never taken the brand of home cure he&#8217;s peddling now.</p>
<p>As for the bullying stuff:  if Fish (or anyone) behaved that way to his colleagues, then it&#8217;s bullying.  But if he slapped around some state legislators in an effort to get them to respect his professional expertise, then I&#8217;m OK with that.  I think it&#8217;s just fine to take it to The Man&#8211;but never to those near you or especially not below you on the hierarchy of the Great Chain of Academic Being.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad readr</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32413</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NY Times columnist Fish came to town last year and proceeded to berate a large roomful of us on how important it is to focus on limited research agendas rather than take up political questions. It was a highly charged political diatribe, and thus the title of his book -- not so much a publisher-induced attention-grabber as an over-the-hill Fish wagging his finger at the likes of you, historiann. So I&#039;m surprised that you give him a pass. The book is part distillation of his vapid Chronicle columns and the ruminations of a retiree. And we brought him only because he has old friends in my department. Yes, they&#039;re old. He&#039;s old. And they have bully tendencies too. &quot;If you embarrass them and make them afraid of you&quot; you are a bully, right?

I kept waiving my arm during his lecture but he didn&#039;t call on me -- because what I wanted to say was, you&#039;re like a parent who spent his youth in an opium den telling his kids just say no. If he had followed his own advice, we&#039;d have at least one more great book on Milton or reader-response theory and a lot fewer third-rate newspaper columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY Times columnist Fish came to town last year and proceeded to berate a large roomful of us on how important it is to focus on limited research agendas rather than take up political questions. It was a highly charged political diatribe, and thus the title of his book &#8212; not so much a publisher-induced attention-grabber as an over-the-hill Fish wagging his finger at the likes of you, historiann. So I&#8217;m surprised that you give him a pass. The book is part distillation of his vapid Chronicle columns and the ruminations of a retiree. And we brought him only because he has old friends in my department. Yes, they&#8217;re old. He&#8217;s old. And they have bully tendencies too. &#8220;If you embarrass them and make them afraid of you&#8221; you are a bully, right?</p>
<p>I kept waiving my arm during his lecture but he didn&#8217;t call on me &#8212; because what I wanted to say was, you&#8217;re like a parent who spent his youth in an opium den telling his kids just say no. If he had followed his own advice, we&#8217;d have at least one more great book on Milton or reader-response theory and a lot fewer third-rate newspaper columns.</p>
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		<title>By: Indyanna</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/07/01/fish-to-politicians-eff-off/comment-page-1/#comment-32136</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or sell the rights to the name &quot;Colorado&quot; to, say, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which could jettison another literal but local and obscure name for a state university (like Edinboro or Bloomsburg), and add to its curious collection of exotic names, viz. &quot;Colorado University of Pennsylvania.&quot; Maybe we could do some sort of mutual in-state tuition swaps arrangement to seal the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or sell the rights to the name &#8220;Colorado&#8221; to, say, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which could jettison another literal but local and obscure name for a state university (like Edinboro or Bloomsburg), and add to its curious collection of exotic names, viz. &#8220;Colorado University of Pennsylvania.&#8221; Maybe we could do some sort of mutual in-state tuition swaps arrangement to seal the deal?</p>
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