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By: History was made, and You Are There! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:49:48 +0000

[...] Obama to American women: drop dead. (As some of you might recall, I was awfully suspicious of the desperate incantation of “But the Supreme Court and ROE ROE R…as the Obama campaign’s first–and as it turns out, last–gambit to lure former [...]

By: Historiann

Historiann — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:51:05 +0000

Hi desmoinesdem–thanks for stopping by and commenting! I understand your point about the SC–that it is an argument of last resort. I’m hopeful that Obama will give us lots more reasons to support him as the campaign unfolds this summer and fall. I think Clinton’s strong concession speech and Gore’s endorsement suggest that the Dems will have no trouble pulling together for November.

Most of us Clinton supporters will pull the lever for Obama, but still wish that we didn’t have to. Thanks for acknowledging that it’s a “frustrating reminder that less-qualified, charismatic men often triumph in a competition with an older, highly qualified woman.” But, someone had to win the primary, which means that someone else had to lose, so them’s the breaks.

By: desmoinesdem

desmoinesdem — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:36:36 +0000

Thanks for the link and the comments.

I certainly did not mean to imply that Obama’s winning margin was by millions of votes, or that he won the nomination because of a popular vote victory.

What I meant was that 17 to 18 million voters selected Obama over Clinton, which to many Clinton supporters is a frustrating reminder that less-qualified, charismatic men often triumph in a competition with an older, highly qualified woman.

I like your suggestion about acknowledging that the popular vote was basically a tie.

In my experience, some people are so resistant to Obama that they simply will not be receptive to any argument in his favor. That’s why I think the Supreme Court is a good point to raise. Literally two days ago I was talking to a cousin in Florida who said the Supreme Court was pretty much the only reason he will vote for Obama (although it would help if Obama picked a VP he liked, such as Biden).

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Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:47:50 +0000

[...] Meanwhile, Historiann seems to be feeling a bit more conciliatory, if I am reading her correctly. [...]

By: Stuart

Stuart — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:04:20 +0000

I’ve been reading demoinesdem since before the Iowa caucus, nice to see her acknowledged here. She has been by far one of the most steady and patient partisan voices (an extraordinarily difficult task at times) out on many of the political(Netroots) blogs were she guest posts.

By: Historiann

Historiann — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:15:42 +0000

Glad you all appreciate desmoinesdem’s comments!

By: Susan

Susan — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:44:14 +0000

This is a great link. . . I’ve sent it to my Hillary-hating friend.
Oh, and as a resident of Connecticut, I apologize for my senator.

By: Indyanna

Indyanna — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:19:36 +0000

The cynical response to the last talking-point would be to observe that all it takes is 60+1 senators willing to go to the mat to foreclose the Supreme Court problem. But that would just raise the inconvenient issue of how the arrogant Netroots in Connecticut went into their ass-shaking, self-congratulatory endzone dance about five yards and a few months short of the endzone last game. Leaving Democratic control of the Senate in the hands of a guy who spent last winter waltzing around Baghdad with McCain, keeping him on-point about which Al-Quaeda was which Al-Quaeda. And that analog might be a bit touchy with some of the Obamaniacs.

By: Roxie

Roxie — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:05:01 +0000

Hmmm. This looks like something I may need to pass along to a certain Obamaniacal commenter over in my happy little corner of the blogosphere. Interestingly, he has also invoked the specter of McCain appointments to the Supreme Court as a way of trying to force us up on our unity ponies, complete with super-scary references to wire-hanger abortions. Note to Obama boys: Women HATE it when men use OUR bodies to try to score cheap political points. Fear-mongering and brow-beating are no more appealing when they come from the left than they are when they come from the right.