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		<title>By: Carrie2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time some of us feel compassion for Carrie. I understand her as i have seen myself be like her and i assure you it&#039;s not a good feeling: we know ourselves
how immature we are or whatever it is that rules our heart and we are perfectly aware that we should go for the Aidans&#039; in the world, but why can&#039;t we?????? And why do those Bigs out there capture our every thought??

There&#039;s nothing you can do until you understand, until you have gone through the &#039;worste&#039; hell and come out again with more knowledge

And until that day marrying an &#039;Aidan&#039; would only be a manipulative act on our side, we would do it only because we want to prove to ourselves otherwise, being certain deep inside that we&#039;re not ready yet!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time some of us feel compassion for Carrie. I understand her as i have seen myself be like her and i assure you it&#8217;s not a good feeling: we know ourselves<br />
how immature we are or whatever it is that rules our heart and we are perfectly aware that we should go for the Aidans&#8217; in the world, but why can&#8217;t we?????? And why do those Bigs out there capture our every thought??</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing you can do until you understand, until you have gone through the &#8216;worste&#8217; hell and come out again with more knowledge</p>
<p>And until that day marrying an &#8216;Aidan&#8217; would only be a manipulative act on our side, we would do it only because we want to prove to ourselves otherwise, being certain deep inside that we&#8217;re not ready yet!!</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/06/02/historianncom-exclusive-satctm-the-review/comment-page-1/#comment-22679</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah--join the club of the Historiann readers who like John Corbett and don&#039;t get &quot;Big!&quot;  Aidan was a hunky, funny, down-to-earth craft furniture maker, and so wasn&#039;t glamorous or dangerous enough for Carrie, I guess.  He was a guy who had a mountain cabin, which made for a rather silly &quot;city girl in the country&quot; episode.  He liked KFC and was unpretentious.  He finagled Carrie into financial responsibility, doubled the size of her apartment, and then sold it to her when they broke up, so what&#039;s not to like?  I guess, as many people have suggested in this thread and others about SATC and SATCTM, that Carrie is too emotionally immature to love someone who loves her back unreservedly, and/or she&#039;s too materialistic to give up on Big&#039;s money.  She ended up cheating on Aidan with Big--and got caught.  Like a sensible man, Aidan cut her loose.  Perhaps the question is more properly, &quot;what did Aidan ever see in Carrie?&quot; or &quot;What did Carrie ever do for Aidan, except make him feel inadequate or unsophisticated?&quot;

I&#039;m glad you liked the movie, and I agree with you totally on the clothes.  (What was up with the big earrings?)  But they got Miranda&#039;s hair color just right--such a pretty golden red!  And, as for Samantha being &quot;fat,&quot; well--it&#039;s all relative.  SJP is a size 0, so anything above a size 2 looks &quot;fat&quot; to that crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8211;join the club of the Historiann readers who like John Corbett and don&#8217;t get &#8220;Big!&#8221;  Aidan was a hunky, funny, down-to-earth craft furniture maker, and so wasn&#8217;t glamorous or dangerous enough for Carrie, I guess.  He was a guy who had a mountain cabin, which made for a rather silly &#8220;city girl in the country&#8221; episode.  He liked KFC and was unpretentious.  He finagled Carrie into financial responsibility, doubled the size of her apartment, and then sold it to her when they broke up, so what&#8217;s not to like?  I guess, as many people have suggested in this thread and others about SATC and SATCTM, that Carrie is too emotionally immature to love someone who loves her back unreservedly, and/or she&#8217;s too materialistic to give up on Big&#8217;s money.  She ended up cheating on Aidan with Big&#8211;and got caught.  Like a sensible man, Aidan cut her loose.  Perhaps the question is more properly, &#8220;what did Aidan ever see in Carrie?&#8221; or &#8220;What did Carrie ever do for Aidan, except make him feel inadequate or unsophisticated?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you liked the movie, and I agree with you totally on the clothes.  (What was up with the big earrings?)  But they got Miranda&#8217;s hair color just right&#8211;such a pretty golden red!  And, as for Samantha being &#8220;fat,&#8221; well&#8211;it&#8217;s all relative.  SJP is a size 0, so anything above a size 2 looks &#8220;fat&#8221; to that crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knitting Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to see the film with one of my gal friends from work.  I&#039;ve only watched the show periodically over the years, never had HBO so depended on hotel rooms, have watched some of it on TBS and found it amusing and sweet.  The film was the same, although about an hour too long. I think it would have been perfect had it ended with Carrie and Miranda at New Year&#039;s Eve.  

As to the clothes -- although Miranda and Charlotte usually looked great (with a few clunkers on M -- and the big earrings didn&#039;t always work) -- Carrie had some really awful outfits and nearly everything Samantha wore was hideous and unflattering.  I didn&#039;t get how people thought she was fat when she showed up at Charlotte&#039;s baby shower -- that outfit was the most flattering thing she wore the entire film, and the cinched waists and shoulder pad outfits actually made her look fatter.

I didn&#039;t watch many episodes of the actual show -- so why did Carrie dump Aidan?  I find John Corbett way better looking the the guy who plays Big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to see the film with one of my gal friends from work.  I&#8217;ve only watched the show periodically over the years, never had HBO so depended on hotel rooms, have watched some of it on TBS and found it amusing and sweet.  The film was the same, although about an hour too long. I think it would have been perfect had it ended with Carrie and Miranda at New Year&#8217;s Eve.  </p>
<p>As to the clothes &#8212; although Miranda and Charlotte usually looked great (with a few clunkers on M &#8212; and the big earrings didn&#8217;t always work) &#8212; Carrie had some really awful outfits and nearly everything Samantha wore was hideous and unflattering.  I didn&#8217;t get how people thought she was fat when she showed up at Charlotte&#8217;s baby shower &#8212; that outfit was the most flattering thing she wore the entire film, and the cinched waists and shoulder pad outfits actually made her look fatter.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t watch many episodes of the actual show &#8212; so why did Carrie dump Aidan?  I find John Corbett way better looking the the guy who plays Big.</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I do feel compassion for the massive public humiliation, but I think she absolutely brought it on herself by immediately freaking out instead of trying to work it out. Which makes it not a deal-breaker, to me---in deciding whether to get back with Big, I would see massive public humiliation as a wash, equal blame on both sides, thus a moot point not to be taken into account in judging the man.

Maybe I wasn&#039;t so sympathetic to Miranda because the movie was so heavy-handed about it: &quot;get it over with&quot;,&quot;have to be up in 4.5 hours&quot;, totally not shaving. Those are extremes---she really should have known better, and her friends were very silent about the &quot;get it over with&quot; when I thought someone should have said &quot;get thee to therapy immediately&quot; or kidnapped Brady weekly to enable date night. But definitely the Steve-Miranda subplot was the one I cared most about. I thought she walked out a little fast too, but they rationalized it better afterwards (can&#039;t trust, &quot;you broke us&quot;).

I was uncertain how to read Miranda&#039;s excursion into Chinatown, and freaking out about being surrounded by Asian people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I do feel compassion for the massive public humiliation, but I think she absolutely brought it on herself by immediately freaking out instead of trying to work it out. Which makes it not a deal-breaker, to me&#8212;in deciding whether to get back with Big, I would see massive public humiliation as a wash, equal blame on both sides, thus a moot point not to be taken into account in judging the man.</p>
<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t so sympathetic to Miranda because the movie was so heavy-handed about it: &#8220;get it over with&#8221;,&#8221;have to be up in 4.5 hours&#8221;, totally not shaving. Those are extremes&#8212;she really should have known better, and her friends were very silent about the &#8220;get it over with&#8221; when I thought someone should have said &#8220;get thee to therapy immediately&#8221; or kidnapped Brady weekly to enable date night. But definitely the Steve-Miranda subplot was the one I cared most about. I thought she walked out a little fast too, but they rationalized it better afterwards (can&#8217;t trust, &#8220;you broke us&#8221;).</p>
<p>I was uncertain how to read Miranda&#8217;s excursion into Chinatown, and freaking out about being surrounded by Asian people.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/06/02/historianncom-exclusive-satctm-the-review/comment-page-1/#comment-19986</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ej--I can&#039;t believe you read this post without seeing the movie!  You&#039;re right about Carrie (and this is something Clio B pointed out last week too):  she rejected Aidan, the loving, sweet man who wanted to marry her, so that she could still pine after Big.  IMHO, that&#039;s not love, that&#039;s a neurosis. 

And Rad--yes, one brief mistake does not mean that the marriage is over.  I was more sympathetic to Miranda than the rest of you seem to be.  I disagreed with her moving out, and she definitely was part of the problem, but she&#039;s also tired from working, caring for a child (albeit with the help of a nanny!), and for an elderly mother-in-law.  It&#039;s the typical web of responsibilities of people in their 30s and 40s, and yeah, I bet getting on the sexy sexy will seem to be a lower priority than paying the mortgage, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ej&#8211;I can&#8217;t believe you read this post without seeing the movie!  You&#8217;re right about Carrie (and this is something Clio B pointed out last week too):  she rejected Aidan, the loving, sweet man who wanted to marry her, so that she could still pine after Big.  IMHO, that&#8217;s not love, that&#8217;s a neurosis. </p>
<p>And Rad&#8211;yes, one brief mistake does not mean that the marriage is over.  I was more sympathetic to Miranda than the rest of you seem to be.  I disagreed with her moving out, and she definitely was part of the problem, but she&#8217;s also tired from working, caring for a child (albeit with the help of a nanny!), and for an elderly mother-in-law.  It&#8217;s the typical web of responsibilities of people in their 30s and 40s, and yeah, I bet getting on the sexy sexy will seem to be a lower priority than paying the mortgage, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad readr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad readr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dance raises some good points about Carrie&#039;s hasty departure from the wedding. Big did turn around and was on his way back when he got pelted by flowers. That&#039;s not to excuse his lame --- but it does show he was conflicted and phobic rather than just being a straight-up jerk. 

Re: Steve. I mean that marriage dynamics are such that a couple can be in a bad situation and one steps out. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily just a cheating spouse or bad judgment or attraction or love or libido gone wild. Although one or more of those can influence a situation, when a married person has an affair, it is inextricable from the marriage. And Steve is a good example of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dance raises some good points about Carrie&#8217;s hasty departure from the wedding. Big did turn around and was on his way back when he got pelted by flowers. That&#8217;s not to excuse his lame &#8212; but it does show he was conflicted and phobic rather than just being a straight-up jerk. </p>
<p>Re: Steve. I mean that marriage dynamics are such that a couple can be in a bad situation and one steps out. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessarily just a cheating spouse or bad judgment or attraction or love or libido gone wild. Although one or more of those can influence a situation, when a married person has an affair, it is inextricable from the marriage. And Steve is a good example of that.</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I haven&#039;t seen the movie, I&#039;m not at all surprised by the turn it takes regarding Carrie&#039;s wedding to Big. He was always fearful of commitment, and she always wanted men who were distant. I could cite the corresponding seasons and episodes here, but I will refrain. Carrie seemed to be incapable of loving a man who loved her more than she loved him, which makes Big perfect.

After they are married, she will never have to worry about feeling that &quot;stomach flip&quot; that to most of us indicates a problem, but to her represents true love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I haven&#8217;t seen the movie, I&#8217;m not at all surprised by the turn it takes regarding Carrie&#8217;s wedding to Big. He was always fearful of commitment, and she always wanted men who were distant. I could cite the corresponding seasons and episodes here, but I will refrain. Carrie seemed to be incapable of loving a man who loved her more than she loved him, which makes Big perfect.</p>
<p>After they are married, she will never have to worry about feeling that &#8220;stomach flip&#8221; that to most of us indicates a problem, but to her represents true love.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susie--thanks for stopping by again.  I would think that &quot;dealing with...emotional things&quot; is pretty much something to be expected on a wedding day!

Dance--the wedding was overdone.  But--do you really feel no compassion for the massive public humiliation Carrie suffered as a result?  I&#039;m sorry--but the time to back out of a wedding is well before the actual day, with all wedding guests assembled.  (That would be a permanent, no give-backs deal maker for me, anyway!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susie&#8211;thanks for stopping by again.  I would think that &#8220;dealing with&#8230;emotional things&#8221; is pretty much something to be expected on a wedding day!</p>
<p>Dance&#8211;the wedding was overdone.  But&#8211;do you really feel no compassion for the massive public humiliation Carrie suffered as a result?  I&#8217;m sorry&#8211;but the time to back out of a wedding is well before the actual day, with all wedding guests assembled.  (That would be a permanent, no give-backs deal maker for me, anyway!)</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m willing to believe that freaking out is natural behavior faced with that wedding.  Big may have been a stupid choice before, but in that context, I don&#039;t think Carrie had any kind of moral high ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m willing to believe that freaking out is natural behavior faced with that wedding.  Big may have been a stupid choice before, but in that context, I don&#8217;t think Carrie had any kind of moral high ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie from Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie from Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, a typical guy? They&#039;re not big on dealing with things, especially emotional things, unless they have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, a typical guy? They&#8217;re not big on dealing with things, especially emotional things, unless they have to.</p>
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