Comments on: Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Wev–are these really new issues? http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:11:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-10044 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:15:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-10044 Hey Zoe–thanks for stopping by to comment. Service is the dirty little secret of faculty life. Because it remains invisible to all but those doing it if we’re doing it well, and because we get so little credit for doing it at all (only 15% on my annual salary exercise), it’s something that grad students and new assistant profs take for granted. Perhaps that’s as it should be–and I believe that it’s up to those of us with the privilege of tenure to shoulder more of the burden than those who are not protected.

But, once you’re over the finish line, saddle up and ride ‘em out, is what I say. In my 4 short years as an Associate Prof., I’ve helped 7 Assistant Profs in my department get tenured and promoted–so Historiann’s going to put her feet up for a few years and enjoy the fruits of my labor!

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By: Zoe the Wonder Dog http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-10041 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:08:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-10041 Ah yes, “when the boomers retire…” I bought that line in 1989 as well and headed off to grad school!

Oh, Historiann, you nearly made me spit out my coffee with that “measure them for the harness crack.” Sooooo true. Who knew that being an associate professor would suck the life out of you with service work? Why didn’t anyone tell us? Oh yeah, ‘cuz the ones who knew were desperate for fresh blood!

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By: Ann Bartow http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9914 Tue, 13 May 2008 21:28:01 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9914 Well if the academic career doesn’t work out, you can always try … LAW SCHOOL!!!!

*ducks and runs*

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9855 Tue, 13 May 2008 14:12:33 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9855 Good points, all–Sis, I think you’re right that the so-called coming “baby bust” will be an excuse deployed NOT to hire replacement faculty (to be hauled out as needed.) And, I’m only a few years older than you, definitely Gen X though, and people made the same arguments about us in the early 90s that we were slacker losers moving back in with our parents, extended adolescence, etc. I think it’s a recurring trope when bitching about people who are younger and less established.

KC, I always took Coupland’s definition of Gen X as people too young to remember the Kennedy assassination, but old enough to remember life before MTV, so that would put the span at about 1961-1981 or so. (Maybe a few years shaved off the end, since MTV was born in 1981.)

And TR: Yes, those research superstars will get their comeuppance when they become Associate Profs, won’t they? At least that’s the pattern where I work: we protect people pretty well until tenure, and then we measure them for the harness…

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By: Tenured Radical http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9852 Tue, 13 May 2008 12:31:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9852 I’m just impressed that you can keep the names and dates of the different generations straight, much less their characteristics and expectations.

I’ve always been skeptical of these grand schema for explaining behavior: for example, I see younger faculty –women as well as men — having greater expectations that their own scholarly work, as well as their families, should be privileged over the work of the institution. But from a purely local perspective, what I also see is that people are no longer promotable on the basis of institutional work (rumor has it that someone with an outstanding scholarly record at Zenith just got tenure having done absolutely no institutional work), so this seems like rational choice rather than fulfilling a generational expectation. And the rational choice is responding to new expectations articulated by boomers.

TR

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By: Knitting Clio http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9849 Tue, 13 May 2008 11:20:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9849 Douglas Coupland, author of _Generation X_, was born in December of 1961, so it makes sense to set the beginning of Gen X at that date.

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By: Sisyphus http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9810 Tue, 13 May 2008 03:32:52 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9810 Hmm. Dean Dad just had a post about a week ago that said we have peaked in terms of undergraduate enrollment and he wanted us to start talking seriously about how to preserve colleges during a “baby bust,” as it were. If that’s true, I’d be extra, quintuple, cherry-on-top suspicious of the idea that there’s going to be any “wave of hiring to balance faculty retirements.”

Funny, the last time I saw the generation breakdown my birth year (75) was listed as the cutoff for GenX. I’m suspicious of nations of people all matching across the “spirit of the decade” or the “spirit of their generation,” but on the other hand, there was an article about “Twixters” that said my generation has turned their 20s into an extended adolescence of career exploration and not settling down so early, and all the things listed were things me and my cousins are doing. But that could just mean upper-middle class, college-educated white kids are the only ones who get to count in these generational generalizations.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9800 Mon, 12 May 2008 23:57:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9800 I’m sorry your Gen X’ers are defending racism and sexism–in my experience, they’re slightly more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators, but that’s probably because of their overall fairly junior status!

Interesting question about how region might affect this. (I actually don’t really believe that there really are generational characteristics, across sex, race, class, sexuality, etc…)

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By: Professor Zero http://www.historiann.com/2008/05/12/gen-x-gen-y-gen-wev-are-these-really-new-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-9798 Mon, 12 May 2008 23:22:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=305#comment-9798 Is it by region, though? I’m a baby boomer from the west and was always accustomed to horizontal / flat organizational and power structures. East of the Rockies the younger crowd seems to prefer hierarchy and top-down structures … it makes me feel like an old hippie, even though I am not actually old enough to have been a hippie.

Also to me it seems that the Gen X’ers are concerned with how to defend against accusations of racism / sexism, etc., whereas I am still more interested in ending these things.

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