Comments on: The Clintons R Us http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:50:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-130710 The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-130710 [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...] [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...]

]]> By: The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-130711 The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-130711 [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...] [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...]

]]> By: This is now officially a post-Rachel blog : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-70012 This is now officially a post-Rachel blog : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:05:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-70012 [...] is claiming that Obama represents a rejection of “Clintonism,” which is just silly (as I could have told her last spring!), and she’s now claiming that any former supporter of Hillary Clinton who doesn’t [...] [...] is claiming that Obama represents a rejection of “Clintonism,” which is just silly (as I could have told her last spring!), and she’s now claiming that any former supporter of Hillary Clinton who doesn’t [...]

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8065 Historiann Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:24:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8065 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+is+hitler Nope--Hillary Clinton has never been compared to Hitler! As for Ronald Reagan: this is not the first time he's cited Reagan as a guiding light. Again, I just think it's a questionable thing to do when you're trying to win the Democratic nomination. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+is+hitler

Nope–Hillary Clinton has never been compared to Hitler!

As for Ronald Reagan: this is not the first time he’s cited Reagan as a guiding light. Again, I just think it’s a questionable thing to do when you’re trying to win the Democratic nomination.

]]> By: David http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8064 David Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:23:44 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8064 Also, for the record I was impressed with Obama's interview with Fox. As EJ pointed out, in that passage he's not citing Reagan as a role model, just referencing how high he'd move the capital gains tax. But nonetheless, surely we can agree that raising the capital gains tax does not make Obama a closet Republican and admirer of Ronald Reagan? Also, for the record I was impressed with Obama’s interview with Fox. As EJ pointed out, in that passage he’s not citing Reagan as a role model, just referencing how high he’d move the capital gains tax. But nonetheless, surely we can agree that raising the capital gains tax does not make Obama a closet Republican and admirer of Ronald Reagan?

]]> By: David http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8063 David Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:21:34 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8063 No, I don't think you have to take responsibility for those comments, but they were shocking to me nonetheless. And I've never seen that level of insanity on Daily Kos, though I have seen some nasty things said about Clinton there. But comparing Clinton to Hitler? Nope, never seen that one before. But I was grateful for having the opportunity to read those comments. No, I don’t think you have to take responsibility for those comments, but they were shocking to me nonetheless. And I’ve never seen that level of insanity on Daily Kos, though I have seen some nasty things said about Clinton there. But comparing Clinton to Hitler? Nope, never seen that one before.

But I was grateful for having the opportunity to read those comments.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8058 Historiann Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:05:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8058 ej--the quotation from the Fox transcript is this: (OBAMA) In terms of capital gains, I’ve suggested we might go back up to 20 because – WALLACE: You have suggested 28. OBAMA: Well, but what I’ve said is, I certainly would not raise it higher than it was under Ronald Reagan. But the fact is, is that I’m mindful that we’ve got to keep our capital gains tax to a point where we can actually get more revenue. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/27/transcript-obama-on-fns/ ______________________________________ The pro-Obama blogs are in a major snit over the interview, and the fact that they were told that Obama "takes on" Fox News in the interview, when clearly, he didn't. See this comment from a pro-Obama blogger: http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=3D9BAC288EFE1B4B7713D53E01EAE17D?diaryId=5412 Hey kids: politicians lie. That's what they do, and that's what Obama apparently did in spinning this interview to pro-Obama blogs. ej–the quotation from the Fox transcript is this:

(OBAMA) In terms of capital gains, I’ve suggested we might go back up to 20 because –

WALLACE: You have suggested 28.

OBAMA: Well, but what I’ve said is, I certainly would not raise it higher than it was under Ronald Reagan. But the fact is, is that I’m mindful that we’ve got to keep our capital gains tax to a point where we can actually get more revenue.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/27/transcript-obama-on-fns/
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The pro-Obama blogs are in a major snit over the interview, and the fact that they were told that Obama “takes on” Fox News in the interview, when clearly, he didn’t. See this comment from a pro-Obama blogger:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=3D9BAC288EFE1B4B7713D53E01EAE17D?diaryId=5412

Hey kids: politicians lie. That’s what they do, and that’s what Obama apparently did in spinning this interview to pro-Obama blogs.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8057 Historiann Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:02:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8057 David, as I have said before, we just thoroughly disagree. I think Clinton is the better and more progressive candidate on the issues I care about. She has been responsive and open to gay organizations and gay media, which is something that gay people have noticed and responded to. I don't know how that can be construed as a bad thing, but you're welcome to your opinion, just as you're welcome to your opinion that Obama is better on gay issues. I warned you that the comments on that website are over the top--I don't agree with them, nor do I endorse every idea in the letter or the comments. But, I thought the "open letter to GLBTQ" people was a useful summary for why many gay people don't feel totally comfortable with Obama. I suppose anyone who links to DailyKos or Talking Points Memo has to take responsibility for the filthy misogyny that's in the comments threads over there? David, as I have said before, we just thoroughly disagree. I think Clinton is the better and more progressive candidate on the issues I care about. She has been responsive and open to gay organizations and gay media, which is something that gay people have noticed and responded to. I don’t know how that can be construed as a bad thing, but you’re welcome to your opinion, just as you’re welcome to your opinion that Obama is better on gay issues.

I warned you that the comments on that website are over the top–I don’t agree with them, nor do I endorse every idea in the letter or the comments. But, I thought the “open letter to GLBTQ” people was a useful summary for why many gay people don’t feel totally comfortable with Obama. I suppose anyone who links to DailyKos or Talking Points Memo has to take responsibility for the filthy misogyny that’s in the comments threads over there?

]]> By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8021 ej Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:35:38 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8021 I'm not sure what interview the folks at MyDD were watching, but Obama didn't exactly cite Reagan as a model, he merely defended his capital gains cap of 28% as the one in place under Reagan (he was talking to FOX) and as far as the regulation issue, he was addressing ways of regulating that weren't necessarily top down, which is not the same as deregulation. That said, it was an odd interview. I have to admit, it was the first time in my life that I actually watched anything on Fox news, and they weren't the flesh-eating monsters I had anticipated. It almost seemed like they were being nice to him, which is odd... I have nothing to say about either candidate and the gays. I’m not sure what interview the folks at MyDD were watching, but Obama didn’t exactly cite Reagan as a model, he merely defended his capital gains cap of 28% as the one in place under Reagan (he was talking to FOX) and as far as the regulation issue, he was addressing ways of regulating that weren’t necessarily top down, which is not the same as deregulation.

That said, it was an odd interview. I have to admit, it was the first time in my life that I actually watched anything on Fox news, and they weren’t the flesh-eating monsters I had anticipated. It almost seemed like they were being nice to him, which is odd…

I have nothing to say about either candidate and the gays.

]]> By: David http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/#comment-8016 David Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:27:14 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8016 Oh, and definitely nice comments on that site. Good to know that there are gay people out there who think Obama is a "misanthrope" who hates blacks, whites, and gays, that he is homophobic for not appearing in a picture with Gavin Newsome, that he is like Hitler was with the Jews, and that he is also a fascist. Further, I learned from reading the comments that Obama supporters are "savages", that Obama wants to assimilate with Middle Easterners and is in league with Hamas. He's also "crippled psychologically" and "dumber than a brick." Yup, "anti-Obama" is one way of putting that. I've heard Obama supporters say a LOT of things about Clinton, but funny, I've never heard them compare her to Goebbels. Oh, and definitely nice comments on that site. Good to know that there are gay people out there who think Obama is a “misanthrope” who hates blacks, whites, and gays, that he is homophobic for not appearing in a picture with Gavin Newsome, that he is like Hitler was with the Jews, and that he is also a fascist. Further, I learned from reading the comments that Obama supporters are “savages”, that Obama wants to assimilate with Middle Easterners and is in league with Hamas. He’s also “crippled psychologically” and “dumber than a brick.”

Yup, “anti-Obama” is one way of putting that. I’ve heard Obama supporters say a LOT of things about Clinton, but funny, I’ve never heard them compare her to Goebbels.

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