Comments on: The Clintons R Us http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:09:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Assemble your own Frankenstein President! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-523749 Assemble your own Frankenstein President! : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:00:47 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-523749 [...] far.  As I delight in reminding you, it’s been clear to me since the 2008 primaries that Obama would govern much like Bill Clinton–although why he does so with substantial Democratic congressional majorities (instead of [...] [...] far.  As I delight in reminding you, it’s been clear to me since the 2008 primaries that Obama would govern much like Bill Clinton–although why he does so with substantial Democratic congressional majorities (instead of [...]

]]> By: In the words of Homer J. Simpson, “It’s funny because it’s true!” : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-452479 In the words of Homer J. Simpson, “It’s funny because it’s true!” : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:51:16 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-452479 [...] be lucky than good.” He could do worse than emulating Bill Clinton’s example–as I have already long since predicted he might–in finding himself quite fortunate in the enemies he [...] [...] be lucky than good.” He could do worse than emulating Bill Clinton’s example–as I have already long since predicted he might–in finding himself quite fortunate in the enemies he [...]

]]> By: Barack Hoover Obama or Barack Delano Roosevelt? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341025 Barack Hoover Obama or Barack Delano Roosevelt? : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:51:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-341025 [...] of 1929 and 2009 may hold up.  (Unfortunately!)  Longstanding readers know that I think  Obama is more like Bill Clinton than any of his other predecessors–and I think my analysis from last spring still rings true.  Baker’s article seems [...] [...] of 1929 and 2009 may hold up.  (Unfortunately!)  Longstanding readers know that I think  Obama is more like Bill Clinton than any of his other predecessors–and I think my analysis from last spring still rings true.  Baker’s article seems [...]

]]> By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-174726 cgeye Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:10:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-174726 Yep, everyone forgets how the militias were barking and active before Waco and OKC, and how they were the real radicals pushing the Overton Window so far right it sailed out of the frame and onto the pavement. Nothing, NOTHING the fragments of the left are trying to do now compares to that, IMHO. Clinton had to push back against them AND the Congress AND his own party to get anything other than corporatist favors done -- and folks have the balls to compare those trials to Obama's, when he's not even in office yet? Yeah. Right. Yep, everyone forgets how the militias were barking and active before Waco and OKC, and how they were the real radicals pushing the Overton Window so far right it sailed out of the frame and onto the pavement. Nothing, NOTHING the fragments of the left are trying to do now compares to that, IMHO.

Clinton had to push back against them AND the Congress AND his own party to get anything other than corporatist favors done — and folks have the balls to compare those trials to Obama’s, when he’s not even in office yet? Yeah. Right.

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-174391 Historiann Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:18:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-174391 You said it, cgeye. David was my one persistent commenter who throughout the primaries refused to interpret what Obama actually said and did in the rational way. He was like many Obama supporters wholly devoted to his fantasy candidate. (And equally devoted to a Satanic notion of Hillary Clinton. Funny how those two holograms always went hand-in-hand in the minds of some people. You said it, cgeye. David was my one persistent commenter who throughout the primaries refused to interpret what Obama actually said and did in the rational way. He was like many Obama supporters wholly devoted to his fantasy candidate. (And equally devoted to a Satanic notion of Hillary Clinton. Funny how those two holograms always went hand-in-hand in the minds of some people.

]]> By: cgeye http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-174377 cgeye Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:01:17 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-174377 As an addendum to David's post on 26 Apr 2008 at 2:18 pm: Ha. Fucking. HA. Yes, it's unsporting to reach that far back, but I claim it makes a difference when a candidate doesn't mind being seen with you, talking to you in public, and not dismissing your concerns, large and small, for political gain. Clinton, on the whole, has been and will continue to be a better supporter of feminist and gay rights. McClurkin's inclusion was not an outlier, as we now see. At least the Clintons faced armed right-wing soldiers when Bill backed DADT, and the whole of Congress with DOMA. Obama folded in the face of evangelicals who only voted for him (if they did) because McCain's campaign ran out of steam. Sucking up to them *after he has won* is nothing but showing his true intentions -- to place all progressive groups under the bus. As an addendum to David’s post on 26 Apr 2008 at 2:18 pm:

Ha. Fucking. HA.

Yes, it’s unsporting to reach that far back, but I claim it makes a difference when a candidate doesn’t mind being seen with you, talking to you in public, and not dismissing your concerns, large and small, for political gain. Clinton, on the whole, has been and will continue to be a better supporter of feminist and gay rights. McClurkin’s inclusion was not an outlier, as we now see.

At least the Clintons faced armed right-wing soldiers when Bill backed DADT, and the whole of Congress with DOMA. Obama folded in the face of evangelicals who only voted for him (if they did) because McCain’s campaign ran out of steam. Sucking up to them *after he has won* is nothing but showing his true intentions — to place all progressive groups under the bus.

]]> By: The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-130710 The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-130710 [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...] [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...]

]]> By: The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-130711 The Ladies of Edenton meet the next lady of Foggy Bottom : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-130711 [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...] [...] way towards repairing the damage done to the international reputation of the United States.  And, as I said back in April, “the Clinton style and legacy will be with us for a long time, whether or not that’s the [...]

]]> By: This is now officially a post-Rachel blog : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-70012 This is now officially a post-Rachel blog : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:05:03 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-70012 [...] is claiming that Obama represents a rejection of “Clintonism,” which is just silly (as I could have told her last spring!), and she’s now claiming that any former supporter of Hillary Clinton who doesn’t [...] [...] is claiming that Obama represents a rejection of “Clintonism,” which is just silly (as I could have told her last spring!), and she’s now claiming that any former supporter of Hillary Clinton who doesn’t [...]

]]> By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/04/25/the-clintons-r-us/comment-page-1/#comment-8065 Historiann Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:24:18 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/?p=272#comment-8065 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+is+hitler Nope--Hillary Clinton has never been compared to Hitler! As for Ronald Reagan: this is not the first time he's cited Reagan as a guiding light. Again, I just think it's a questionable thing to do when you're trying to win the Democratic nomination. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+is+hitler

Nope–Hillary Clinton has never been compared to Hitler!

As for Ronald Reagan: this is not the first time he’s cited Reagan as a guiding light. Again, I just think it’s a questionable thing to do when you’re trying to win the Democratic nomination.

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