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	<title>Comments on: Why no women&#8217;s history?  Blame the Patriarchive!  (An International Women&#8217;s Day omnibus spectacular and bee-yatchfest.)</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/08/why-no-womens-history-blame-the-patriarchive-an-international-womens-day-omnibus-spectacular-and-bee-yatchfest/#comment-3127</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tiffany!  I appreciate the reference, and I'll look up the Bloomer book and the Rookie Bios, for sure.  Perhaps I'll report back on the results...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tiffany!  I appreciate the reference, and I&#8217;ll look up the Bloomer book and the Rookie Bios, for sure.  Perhaps I&#8217;ll report back on the results&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my 6-year-old daughter's favorite books is "You Forgot Your Skirt, Amelia Bloomer!" about dress reform and 19th c. women's rights.  It has a fun story (well, if women's oppression can be fun - but Amelia Bloomer is fun!) and lively colorful illustrations and takes the "fashion" question up to today.  My daughter likes it because she shares her name with Bloomer's paper, The Lily ;)   

Our reading list also includes a straightforward "easy reader" biography series called Rookie Biographies (I think they are a Scholastic Books imprint??).  I like them because they are easy to read independently, but not dumbed down at all (explaining new or big vocabulary words), and include real archival photographs.  We just read "Rachel Carson" and "Helen Keller," but there are numerous other female subjects covered.  
Children's author David Adler also has an illustrated biography series for younger kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my 6-year-old daughter&#8217;s favorite books is &#8220;You Forgot Your Skirt, Amelia Bloomer!&#8221; about dress reform and 19th c. women&#8217;s rights.  It has a fun story (well, if women&#8217;s oppression can be fun - but Amelia Bloomer is fun!) and lively colorful illustrations and takes the &#8220;fashion&#8221; question up to today.  My daughter likes it because she shares her name with Bloomer&#8217;s paper, The Lily <img src='http://www.historiann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Our reading list also includes a straightforward &#8220;easy reader&#8221; biography series called Rookie Biographies (I think they are a Scholastic Books imprint??).  I like them because they are easy to read independently, but not dumbed down at all (explaining new or big vocabulary words), and include real archival photographs.  We just read &#8220;Rachel Carson&#8221; and &#8220;Helen Keller,&#8221; but there are numerous other female subjects covered.<br />
Children&#8217;s author David Adler also has an illustrated biography series for younger kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kudos on the Baraka stories!

On the topic of recognition for women in the professions we all have a ways to go, also in Europe. The person I am married to has been an associate prof. of American Studies for about a year and a half now, but she is regularly treated as a part-timer by her male colleagues who can't seem to wrap their 'brains' around the fact that she is tenured: "What, you're an associate prof. just like us?" is one of the more memorable actual quotes from an elderly historian at her dept. "Does that mean you took Carl's job?", he continued... Another 'fine' moment ocurred when a colleague of hers assumed that since she was commuting to work from where we currently live (5 h. by train), she "must be a part-time lecturer..." This peculiar male form of 'logic' continues to mystify me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kudos on the Baraka stories!</p>
<p>On the topic of recognition for women in the professions we all have a ways to go, also in Europe. The person I am married to has been an associate prof. of American Studies for about a year and a half now, but she is regularly treated as a part-timer by her male colleagues who can&#8217;t seem to wrap their &#8216;brains&#8217; around the fact that she is tenured: &#8220;What, you&#8217;re an associate prof. just like us?&#8221; is one of the more memorable actual quotes from an elderly historian at her dept. &#8220;Does that mean you took Carl&#8217;s job?&#8221;, he continued&#8230; Another &#8216;fine&#8217; moment ocurred when a colleague of hers assumed that since she was commuting to work from where we currently live (5 h. by train), she &#8220;must be a part-time lecturer&#8230;&#8221; This peculiar male form of &#8216;logic&#8217; continues to mystify me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PalMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PalMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quite possible.  In general, among patients, it seems to be the older patients who make the "mistake" the most.  

In the macho publish/perish world of academia, all bets are off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quite possible.  In general, among patients, it seems to be the older patients who make the &#8220;mistake&#8221; the most.  </p>
<p>In the macho publish/perish world of academia, all bets are off.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it, Pal!  I don't think anyone here would take it seriously, even if you did!  From what I understand NICU/PICU/ICU are macho sub-specialities, and academic medicine is (as you say) more macho than private practice.  My friend does look young enough to be a resident or a fellow, but if she lets her gray grow out or in another 10 years or so, I guess people will just assume she's a nurse and not offer the resident or fellow option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it, Pal!  I don&#8217;t think anyone here would take it seriously, even if you did!  From what I understand NICU/PICU/ICU are macho sub-specialities, and academic medicine is (as you say) more macho than private practice.  My friend does look young enough to be a resident or a fellow, but if she lets her gray grow out or in another 10 years or so, I guess people will just assume she&#8217;s a nurse and not offer the resident or fellow option.</p>
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		<title>By: PalMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PalMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That first line was supposed to come out as a crossed out sarcastic snark.  Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That first line was supposed to come out as a crossed out sarcastic snark.  Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: PalMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PalMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, women aren't fit to practice medicine  On the bright side, someone thought she looked young enough to be a resident.

On the other hand, to mix metaphors, women physicians are often not taken seriously even by other women.  They are often referred to as "lady doctors" (I s'pose as opposed to us be-phallused real doctors).  

One of the nice things about primary care medicine is that it is actually possible to be a part time physician and mother without undue penalty.  In academics there are obviously pitfalls, but out here in the real world, part time women physicians are more and more common, and just as respected.  

There are other interesting, although expected, trends.  My female partner does far more paps than I do.  That can be viewed as a "ghettoization", or simply that many women feel more comfortable with a woman doing their pap.

I could go on, but I'll spare you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, women aren&#8217;t fit to practice medicine  On the bright side, someone thought she looked young enough to be a resident.</p>
<p>On the other hand, to mix metaphors, women physicians are often not taken seriously even by other women.  They are often referred to as &#8220;lady doctors&#8221; (I s&#8217;pose as opposed to us be-phallused real doctors).  </p>
<p>One of the nice things about primary care medicine is that it is actually possible to be a part time physician and mother without undue penalty.  In academics there are obviously pitfalls, but out here in the real world, part time women physicians are more and more common, and just as respected.  </p>
<p>There are other interesting, although expected, trends.  My female partner does far more paps than I do.  That can be viewed as a &#8220;ghettoization&#8221;, or simply that many women feel more comfortable with a woman doing their pap.</p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;ll spare you.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart--thanks for letting us know.  By the way, I read Joyce Johnson's _Minor Characters_ in college, and it's one of the books I liked best from my undergrad years.  Kudos too on the Amiri Baraka posts--I (heart) Baraka!

Knitting Clio--well, she is dewily youthful and petite, but I don't think that was the reason Professor McJerkface was confused about why she was there.  After all, there are plenty of late-thirtysomething men in critical care, and I'm sure they don't get challenged as much.  I've only seen a man's youth used to challenge his authority/position once, when a junior colleage arrived late to a meeting with our former Dean.  She assumed he was an interloper, and said, "Excuse me, this is a meeting.  If you're looking for a class, it's in another room."  However, I think that particular encounter said more about how that particular dean didn't know who her faculty are, or how to read people's body language and appearance.  He was wearing a shirt and tie, and dressed and moved like he belonged in the meeting, so it was just an embarassment for her all the way around.  (And, she was an idiot in more ways than one, so it was all of a piece with her.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart&#8211;thanks for letting us know.  By the way, I read Joyce Johnson&#8217;s _Minor Characters_ in college, and it&#8217;s one of the books I liked best from my undergrad years.  Kudos too on the Amiri Baraka posts&#8211;I (heart) Baraka!</p>
<p>Knitting Clio&#8211;well, she is dewily youthful and petite, but I don&#8217;t think that was the reason Professor McJerkface was confused about why she was there.  After all, there are plenty of late-thirtysomething men in critical care, and I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t get challenged as much.  I&#8217;ve only seen a man&#8217;s youth used to challenge his authority/position once, when a junior colleage arrived late to a meeting with our former Dean.  She assumed he was an interloper, and said, &#8220;Excuse me, this is a meeting.  If you&#8217;re looking for a class, it&#8217;s in another room.&#8221;  However, I think that particular encounter said more about how that particular dean didn&#8217;t know who her faculty are, or how to read people&#8217;s body language and appearance.  He was wearing a shirt and tie, and dressed and moved like he belonged in the meeting, so it was just an embarassment for her all the way around.  (And, she was an idiot in more ways than one, so it was all of a piece with her.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Historiann,

I think it is merely coincidental to Women’s History Month, but Bent has a new &lt;a href="http://atlanticcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/03/minor-characters-beat-others-1.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;on female Beat writers, Diane di Prima and Amiri Baraka.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Historiann,</p>
<p>I think it is merely coincidental to Women’s History Month, but Bent has a new <a href="http://atlanticcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/03/minor-characters-beat-others-1.html" rel="nofollow">post</a>on female Beat writers, Diane di Prima and Amiri Baraka.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knitting Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought re: your friend the medical professor -- this might have been a backhanded compliment, i.e. she looks too young to be an attending.  I used to get mistaken for an undergraduate when I first started teaching.  Although it was annoying then, now that I'm an old fart full-professor, I look back on those days with a bit of nostalgia . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought re: your friend the medical professor &#8212; this might have been a backhanded compliment, i.e. she looks too young to be an attending.  I used to get mistaken for an undergraduate when I first started teaching.  Although it was annoying then, now that I&#8217;m an old fart full-professor, I look back on those days with a bit of nostalgia . . .</p>
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