Comments on: Colonial history: yes indeed Ari, lots of massacres! http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:24:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-78198 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:18:07 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-78198 MB–no problem, and thanks for stopping by to comment! Please check back again for more Maine & northeastern borderlands history posts. I’ve been kind of election-obsessed lately in my more recent posts, but now that the academic year is underway again, it’s time to get back to my work in the eighteenth century!

Thanks again for your interest and for sharing your family history. The Abenaki/Wabanaki are really all mixed up by the turn of the 18th century, many of them traveling between St. Francis, Norridgewock, and their Eastern or Western home bases.

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By: MB Williams http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-78179 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:07:32 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-78179 Oops, just noticed the original date of the post. A friend sent me the link – I should have had more clue.

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By: MB Williams http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-78169 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:55:35 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-78169 Yes, a number of Wawenok and Cowasuck Abenakis might have remained to fight that summer (1704), but more likely, because of the Confederacy agreements, the majority of the insurgents were Western Abenaki, who came down from Odanak (St. Francis) to continue the overall war effort, through raids and sabotage, on the “Eastern Front” of the invading “Bostonakis”. The local Abenakis, including my own family, mostly refrained from the attacks, as they hoped to remain in their traditional villages and did not want to remove permanently to Quebec (there were, and still to this day are, significant differences between the Abenakis from the lowlands, and those from the mountains and St. Lawrence Valley.) They must have been somewhat successful, as my family’s village at Cape Porpoise remained until the late 1700s, when the tribe finally removed to Norridgewock (where my gr-gr-grandmother was born.)

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By: POWs in the eighteenth century : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-76523 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:49:55 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-76523 [...] England and Western Massachusetts, and marched away with their prisoners of war.  The winter attack on Deerfield, Massachusetts in 1704 notwithstanding, the vast majority of captive raids, like the vast majority of other eighteenth-century military [...]

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By: 12th Military History Carnival « Thoughts on Military History http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-3550 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:45:41 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-3550 [...] of massacres in wartime. The first post deals with the issue of massacres committed during the colonial era by Historiann. Second with have a post about the executions of soldiers caught in the Boer Warof [...]

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By: Colonial History: Nothing but Massacres? « The Edge of the American West http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-2317 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:59:25 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-2317 [...] Historiann comes through with a very interesting reply to this [...]

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:01:06 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-1664 Cool–I’ll be interested to hear what you find, Ryan. And, Smith, it’s really not surprising at all that ideas about gender wouldn’t be terribly prominent in a trade press history book! That’s pretty much the way they all are. I think there’s a big misunderstanding in who buys popular histories–women like them, and I think would buy more, but most trade titles are so focused on male political and military leaders, especially in early American history.

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By: Ryan Tripp http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-1659 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:34:09 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-1659 I’m an indolent grad student and prefer to mine the knowledge and epistemologies of senior scholars. I subsume those questions under the heading “mentoring.” I’m pretty certain that the Church’s grandson was a Son of Liberty…and a “massacre narrative” (rather than republican narrative) radical to boot. I’ll check it out and get back to you. =)

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By: Smith Michaels http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-1653 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:01:30 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-1653 Interestingly, one of the problems of Philbrick’s book is that he is too uncritical about gender, and how it influnced the Pilgrims/Puritans.

And certainly Church’s willingness to put his money where is mouth his (so to speak) is much more tolerable than the 17th century version of a chickenhawk.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/comment-page-1/#comment-1652 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:49:05 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/03/01/colonial-history-yes-indeed-ari-lots-of-massacres/#comment-1652 Hi Smith–I haven’t read the Philbrick book, not out of any snobbery, but out of feeling already overwhelmed by not reading all of the academic books I should. And recently, I’m reading mostly women’s and gender history too. (It’s really hard both to read and write books–most years, I can do one or the other, but rarely both simulaneously.) I’m glad you thought it was good.

Church is really horrible, but in I find guys like him more tolerable than the Cotton Mathers, who were perfectly happy to let other people fight the wars they championed from the comfort of their studies, as they were waited on by wives and daughters, and servant women and enslaved women kept their rooms clean and kept them well-fed while they churned out their racist screeds. Church at least got into the fray, and like most English people who got out of Boston and knew some Indians, was much more ethnographically intelligent and observant than the armchair warriors.

p.s. to Ryan: sorry not to have replied to your genealogical question about Church–I don’t know anything about his descendants, except that I think it’s his son who published his “Entertaining Passages” in 1716. I’m sure some 19th C antiquarian figured all of his genealogy out and published it in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register–your University should have a complete run. (If not, you can ILL it.)

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