Comments on: Heartbreaking. Now where is our outrage? http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/ History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:15:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Maj. Nidal Hasan, MD: just an all-American guy : Historiann : History and sexual politics, 1492 to the present http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-480439 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:46 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-480439 [...] clear to me that he’s just another mass-murderer in our all-American tradition in which socially maladjusted men, who in spite of also being religiously insane and/or suffering from acute misogyny, are permitted [...]

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By: Link Love - A Historian :) « Like a Whisper http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-199678 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:53:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-199678 [...] is not insular disciplinary amusement, but rather two posts that I think my readers should read: Heartbreaking. Now Where is Our Outrage and Jacking the Internet for the Forces of [...]

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By: ortho stice http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-856 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:26:53 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-856 In addition to gender, I wonder if we can use class as a category to analyze school shootings?

Discussions of college shootings must address the enormous amount of stress that affects all people (students, professors, contingent faculty, grad students, support staff) who labor within the corporate university. The corporate university creates a culture of stress and anxiety that contributes to many mental health problems such as depression. A critique of the corporate university should be at the center of any analysis of recent campus shootings.

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-669 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:30:36 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-669 Oh no–not the Rocky Mountain News Comments! No one needs to see that up close, Nicole!

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By: Nicole http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-668 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:28:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-668 For the really interesting reader comments on this story I refer you to:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/13/nasty-incident-suspends-wrestlers/

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-666 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:09:00 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-666 Ugh. That’s disgusting. Here’s a link to the story:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_8249247

I think what this story also suggests is the enabling and encouragement that boys and young men in high school and college sports get from their parents and elders. Who the heck could seriously argue that this was appropriate behavior? Only those who subscribe to the “boys will be boys/win at all costs” mentality, which as you say Nicole is a very narrow vision of masculinity.

I guess all any of us can do as teachers is encourage your students to talk about these issues in class, perhaps gender issues especially, because I’m under the impression that most parents reinforce rather than question cultural norms and expectations. If you make a connection to some troubled students, you might save their lives and that of their classmates, because it strikes me that the men who have committed mass-murder recently have been cut off (or cut themselves off) from sympathetic mentors and peers. You might also get them to re-think some of the bullying students engage in, and force them to talk to one another as fellow human beings rather than as “types” of people they can disparage for fun in order to bond with their friends.

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By: Baudrillard's Bastard http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-665 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:07:19 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-665 the mystery of the violence

These scenes are the illustration of a power which, reaching its extreme point, no longer knows what to do with itself

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By: Nicole http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-664 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:50:12 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-664 We had an interesting event in the Loveland school district this week wherein a bunch of middle school wrestlers decided it would be fun to touch their own genitals and anuses and then wipe their hands on a few other boys’ faces. The six offenders were suspended much to the discontent of quite a few Coloradoans who ranted “boys will be boys” etc. A mother of one of the lucky recipients of such treatment withdrew her son from the school district (and then received a great deal of criticism for enabling weakness in her son). This situation, along with the other school shootings that occurred this week, highlight the fact that we have ONE acceptable form of masculinity in our society and further any boy who doesn’t conform to that is then a target in our society. The targeted ones that are healthy and have solid support systems tend to grow up fine (unless they happen to get beat up or killed for whatever makes them less masculine- like being homosexual). There are a few however that aren’t healthy and because of their lack of masculinity are socially stigmatized and never make connections in society thus becoming the most dangerous type of people out there. In some of these paraiahs’ final moments they seem to take their masculinity back by doing the most masculine thing they can- using a gun (Historiann, your research on colonial attitudes towards guns and masculinity can probably shed light for us here). I believe we need to stop the “boys will be boys” b.s. and start treating hyper masculinity like we do eating disorders for women- start introducing conferences for young men to go to on self esteem building and allowing men to discuss the pressures they feel to be masculine. Women are granted the space to do these things but men are not. (Note: I am not arguing that these pro-girl conferences etc are solving women’s problems re: body image but rather noting that we see eating disorders as a crisis in young women and spend a lot of money trying to solve them).
I think sexism is often seen as only hurting women (I would argue we are materially marginalized to a far greater extent however psychologically I believe the marginalization is profound for both sexes).
How do we begin to deconstruct masculinity in our culture? As a school teacher I’d like to know ASAP!

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By: Historiann http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-663 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:37:22 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-663 David–I agree, it’s a problem with masculinity. Even if the guy was off his meds, it’s clearly a gendered thing to pick up guns and as you say, try to “project some sense of your own power,” when feeling so angry and powerless. I agree with both you and ej that we need to make this a political issue again, but I think a lot of sane people are just so demoralized by the perceived power of the gun lobby that they don’t even try. I just might get one of those Kevlar vests–it would certainly make a strong statement about the safety of my work environment if I showed up every day to lecture in a bulletproof vest.

One of the commonalities between the V-Tech and NIU shootings is that the guns and ammo were purchased in fairly short order before the attacks. Perhaps states or the Feds could require that people buying guns have to go through a mental health check/interview before they’re allowed to arm up like that, rather than just prevent people with documented mental health problems from buying guns (like the new law in Virginia does, I believe.) I think a counselor or psychologist would have detected Cho’s antisocial vibe, and perhaps would also have picked up Kazmierczak’s being off his meds.

But, I don’t think this country will ever permit citizens to be disarmed. The interesting thing about living in the West is that a LOT of people have guns here–not just right-wing 2nd Amendment fundamentalists, but liberal college professors, women’s studies people, etc. It’s not that way in the East, or at least it wasn’t when I lived there. But, living out in the West, it’s best to assume people have guns for recreational use and ask ahead of time if they’re locked up before your child goes over to someone’s house to play…

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By: ej http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-662 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:53:58 +0000 http://www.historiann.com/2008/02/15/heartbreaking-but-where-is-our-outrage/#comment-662 I have to say, as jaded as I’ve become over the last 7 1/2 years, I am still disturbed by the complete lack of discussion regarding the gun issue regarding this man’s actions. Weather he was obviously disturbed, or “revered on campus”, if he hadn’t had access to those guns, he wouldn’t have been able to kill 5 people. Its as simple as that.

But once again, in the aftermath of a horrible incident, which seems to be becoming almost commonplace these days, its not even a topic of discussion among the media.

God forbid one of the people he shot would have been carrying a fetus-though actually then we might get some conservatives in this conversation!

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