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		<title>By: squadratomagico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; teaching meme</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-820538</link>
		<dc:creator>squadratomagico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; teaching meme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 00:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been tagged for a lovely meme, by both Historiann and New Kid on the Hallway. The meme asks that you list several reasons (the exact number is open) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been tagged for a lovely meme, by both Historiann and New Kid on the Hallway. The meme asks that you list several reasons (the exact number is open) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I love the &#039;historical woo.&#039; The concept, not the practice. As a Europeanist, I too spend lots of time de-wooing people. Un-wooing? I&#039;m certainly anti-woo.

Yeah, the bit about our Christian founding fathers always makes me wild. I&#039;d learned that they were primarily Deist, and was befuddled to hear apparently sane US types arguing that Deists were basically Christian. I&#039;d been out of the country for a while, and thought there&#039;d be a historiographical paradigm shift. Glad to know you guys are out there trying to de/un-woo people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I love the &#8216;historical woo.&#8217; The concept, not the practice. As a Europeanist, I too spend lots of time de-wooing people. Un-wooing? I&#8217;m certainly anti-woo.</p>
<p>Yeah, the bit about our Christian founding fathers always makes me wild. I&#8217;d learned that they were primarily Deist, and was befuddled to hear apparently sane US types arguing that Deists were basically Christian. I&#8217;d been out of the country for a while, and thought there&#8217;d be a historiographical paradigm shift. Glad to know you guys are out there trying to de/un-woo people.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in memes, although I refuse to believe in &quot;L&#039;art du Mime.&quot;  You can have your Mimesis--I&#039;ll take a mimosa, hold the orange juice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in memes, although I refuse to believe in &#8220;L&#8217;art du Mime.&#8221;  You can have your Mimesis&#8211;I&#8217;ll take a mimosa, hold the orange juice.</p>
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		<title>By: Monocle Man</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Monocle Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiann -

Do you really believe in &quot;memes&quot;? Should not human thoughts be imagined as something greater than self-replicating parasites gorging on zombie brains?

I&#039;ll take Auerbach&#039;s Mimesis over &quot;mimetics&quot; any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiann -</p>
<p>Do you really believe in &#8220;memes&#8221;? Should not human thoughts be imagined as something greater than self-replicating parasites gorging on zombie brains?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take Auerbach&#8217;s Mimesis over &#8220;mimetics&#8221; any day.</p>
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		<title>By: James Stripes</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>James Stripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even so, your point about beef, the English, and health/environmental issues stands. 

It&#039;s also worth remembering that the English and Spanish raised beef in contrasting ways. The infamous Billy the Kid became an outlaw defending the Spanish way, and then couldn&#039;t adapt when his side lost. In other words, the English way of beef production contributed in no small measure to the expressions of violence that became our Western mythology (including Reagan on horseback, and George W. giving Saddam till noon to get out of town). Your point about English cows goes to the heart of America so deeply that McDonalds and all the evils they represent begin to look like minor footnotes.

I like beef, but much prefer salmon and bison and venison--all of which are healthier for the human body and for the land. As one example of efforts to mitigate what we&#039;ve lost, hatcheries in the Pacific Northwest have been donating salmon carcasses in recent years to groups that spread the dead fish along the edges of rivers where they once spawned so that MDN (marine derived nitrogen) might continue to support the trees and grasses and critters that require such sustenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even so, your point about beef, the English, and health/environmental issues stands. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth remembering that the English and Spanish raised beef in contrasting ways. The infamous Billy the Kid became an outlaw defending the Spanish way, and then couldn&#8217;t adapt when his side lost. In other words, the English way of beef production contributed in no small measure to the expressions of violence that became our Western mythology (including Reagan on horseback, and George W. giving Saddam till noon to get out of town). Your point about English cows goes to the heart of America so deeply that McDonalds and all the evils they represent begin to look like minor footnotes.</p>
<p>I like beef, but much prefer salmon and bison and venison&#8211;all of which are healthier for the human body and for the land. As one example of efforts to mitigate what we&#8217;ve lost, hatcheries in the Pacific Northwest have been donating salmon carcasses in recent years to groups that spread the dead fish along the edges of rivers where they once spawned so that MDN (marine derived nitrogen) might continue to support the trees and grasses and critters that require such sustenance.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Historiann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, James--you know, as I was writing about cows, I had a sneaking suspicion that the Spanish brought them too...sorry for the Eastern/Anglocentric version of bovine history!  And you&#039;re right--Native Americans still serve in huge numbers in the armed forces even today--I think that given their representation in the U.S. population as a whole that they serve more disproportionately than any other American ethnic group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, James&#8211;you know, as I was writing about cows, I had a sneaking suspicion that the Spanish brought them too&#8230;sorry for the Eastern/Anglocentric version of bovine history!  And you&#8217;re right&#8211;Native Americans still serve in huge numbers in the armed forces even today&#8211;I think that given their representation in the U.S. population as a whole that they serve more disproportionately than any other American ethnic group.</p>
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		<title>By: James Stripes</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>James Stripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Historiann!

However, if the English colonists hadn&#039;t introduced cattle, they still would be found in the Spanish colonies--Colorado and everywhere south and west of there.

Your first point suggests the sort of true patriotism we don&#039;t hear about much in the MSM.

How do we get from love of America to nationalism? Just because most folks use these terms interchangeably does not mean that they are identical. Ask a few Native American Indian soldiers why they are willing to die, and you&#039;ll quickly run into the idea that the land they defend (even if they do not agree that this particular war has anything to do with American land) was theirs before there was a United States, and still will be theirs when the United States no longer exists (if it ever comes to that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Historiann!</p>
<p>However, if the English colonists hadn&#8217;t introduced cattle, they still would be found in the Spanish colonies&#8211;Colorado and everywhere south and west of there.</p>
<p>Your first point suggests the sort of true patriotism we don&#8217;t hear about much in the MSM.</p>
<p>How do we get from love of America to nationalism? Just because most folks use these terms interchangeably does not mean that they are identical. Ask a few Native American Indian soldiers why they are willing to die, and you&#8217;ll quickly run into the idea that the land they defend (even if they do not agree that this particular war has anything to do with American land) was theirs before there was a United States, and still will be theirs when the United States no longer exists (if it ever comes to that).</p>
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		<title>By: squadratomagico</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>squadratomagico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tag -- I&#039;m on it! Tomorrow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tag &#8212; I&#8217;m on it! Tomorrow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching History &#171; The Edge of the American West</title>
		<link>http://www.historiann.com/2008/01/21/meme-o-to-myself/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching History &#171; The Edge of the American West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 22, 2008 in Uncategorized by ari   I&#8217;m told that I have to explain why I teach history. Which is kind of tough. Because, right now at least, I don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m on leave. Writing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 22, 2008 in Uncategorized by ari   I&#8217;m told that I have to explain why I teach history. Which is kind of tough. Because, right now at least, I don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m on leave. Writing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the concept of historical woo.  But just for reminding us all, it&#039;s not only John Yoo who was a history major, but his big boss.  Alas, the Yale history department has much to answer for.  (Although, from what we can tell, they gave him Cs, which means they knew how little he&#039;d learned.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the concept of historical woo.  But just for reminding us all, it&#8217;s not only John Yoo who was a history major, but his big boss.  Alas, the Yale history department has much to answer for.  (Although, from what we can tell, they gave him Cs, which means they knew how little he&#8217;d learned.)</p>
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